Is the call for Iraq pull out uniting Americans?

[dlamberth]

Are Americans finally coming together as one voice in Iraq?

Read the following HERE where Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel urges a pullout of 'mismanaged' Iraq.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A leading Republican senator called Sunday for American troops to begin withdrawing from Iraq, declaring that a U.S. pullout is needed to head off "impending disaster" in the nearly 4-year-old war.

"There will be no victory or defeat for the United States in Iraq," Sen. Chuck Hagel wrote in Sunday's edition of The Washington Post.

Instead, he said, President Bush should use the upcoming report from a bipartisan panel led by former Secretary of State James Baker to begin laying the groundwork for a "phased withdrawal" of U.S. troops.

"If the president fails to build a bipartisan foundation for an exit strategy, America will pay a high price for this blunder -- one that we will have difficulty recovering from in the years ahead," Hagel wrote.

"To squander this moment would be to squander future possibilities for the Middle East and the world. That is what is at stake over the next few months."


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[mwb]

Chuck voted for the war.

 

[dlamberth]

Chuck voted for the war.

And now he is saying that we need to get out of Iraq. Americans are coming to a common voice about Iraq.

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[mwb]

I'm all for a pullout but for the right reasons. Pulling out because it's "mismanaged" is a cop out. If it's mismanaged, let's make sure it's managed better. Mismanagement is not a reason.

 

[mwb]

Social Security is mismanaged but we're not ending it due to mismanagement.

 

[notto]

Social security isn't killing young troops.

 

[JoshuaW]

Chuck voted for the war.

Chuck didn't vote "for the war". Chuck, and a majority of legislators, voted to give the president the authority to resolve the threat of Saddam Hussein and his Weapons of Mass Destruction. They didn't know that the administration fabricated evidence of those WMD's.

When the country is threatened, politicians of all parties will unite to support the actions of the president. They trust the president to use good judgement and act responsibly. Instead, this president lied about the reasons for war and then blamed those who gave him the authority to proceed.

Americans are now realizing this country is engaged in an endless and criminal enterprise. They are basically good people who care more about America's reputation than the price of Halliburton stock. Of course they want out.

 

[Billnew]

Chuck didn't vote "for the war". Chuck, and a majority of legislators, voted to give the president the authority to resolve the threat of Saddam Hussein and his Weapons of Mass Destruction. They didn't know that the administration fabricated evidence of those WMD's.

When the country is threatened, politicians of all parties will unite to support the actions of the president. They trust the president to use good judgement and act responsibly. Instead, this president lied about the reasons for war and then blamed those who gave him the authority to proceed.

Americans are now realizing this country is engaged in an endless and criminal enterprise. They are basically good people who care more about America's reputation than the price of Halliburton stock. Of course they want out.

Yea, yea, we've heard this before.
They gave the President the power to go to war, but didn't think he would use it.
The President lied and fabricated evidence to go to war,
even duping the security counsel(who actually study the evidence regularly).
Bush duped and mislead 3 Presidents before him into believing the same, and pulled the wool over at least 5 other countries, making them believe their own inteligence said the same thing.
A man with this powerful fabrication of truth, would stop at a small country in the middle east? All this for increasing stocks. gotcha. ok, the secrets out.

HAte to tell people, the Democrats aren't calling for the phased redeployment. They knew they couldn't do it, but saying and doing are 2 different things.
What will happen? The Democrats will evaluate Iraq, call for some change, nothing will happen, but the news from Iraq will suddenly change and Iraq will suddenly be winable.

 

[JoshuaW]

Yea, yea, we've heard this before.
They gave the President the power to go to war, but didn't think he would use it.
The President lied and fabricated evidence to go to war,
even duping the security counsel(who actually study the evidence regularly).
Bush duped and mislead 3 Presidents before him into believing the same, and pulled the wool over at least 5 other countries, making them believe their own inteligence said the same thing.
A man with this powerful fabrication of truth, would stop at a small country in the middle east? All this for increasing stocks. gotcha. ok, the secrets out.

HAte to tell people, the Democrats aren't calling for the phased redeployment. They knew they couldn't do it, but saying and doing are 2 different things.
What will happen? The Democrats will evaluate Iraq, call for some change, nothing will happen, but the news from Iraq will suddenly change and Iraq will suddenly be winable.

People are not used to a president lying about matters of national security, or starting wars for no reason. We assume when someone rises to the leadership of their country, the mantle of office alone will imbue them with a heavy sense of stewardship and responsibility. Everyone misjudged the lack of intellectual depth of this president.

Your smirking winks and jokes do not erase the fact that the entire world was misled by the Bush administration...misled because they trusted him to act presidential.

I do not expect the Democrats to come up with a satisfactory solution to Iraq. The reason even James Baker declined to seize Iraq is that there is no solution. If you are falling off a cliff without a parachute, there is no satisfactory solution. The best advice is to roll when you hit.

 

[mwb]

It was crystal clear Bush was going to go to war when the Iraq vote was taken.

 

[mwb]

Tell that to John Kerry & Bill Clinton who during Clinton's presidency thought Iraq had WMD.

For goodness sake, this dead horse has been beaten so many times.

 

[mwb]

Social security isn't killing young troops.

I guess you can't make an analogy between one mismanged program (SS) & another supposedly mismanged program (Iraq).

 

[noparty]

I'd say it was clear as well. All congressmen who voted to abandon checks and balances and give one person the authority to start a war should be held accountable for that vote. The Iraq War had around a 30% approval rating before it started, but the representative congress chose not to represent their constituents. Those same congressmen are now saying "I was misled". That's not a valid excuse, but it is about as close as a politician ever comes to admitting he/she was wrong.

 

[mwb]

I think we all got swept up in the emotion of 9/11. While Iraq wasn't responsible, SH was a person who was capable of carrying out a 9/11 style attack. Back then, the goal in the eyes of most people was to stop anyone capable of carrying out another 9/11. Not so much these days.

(I thought the approval rating for the attack on Iraq was much higher).

 

[noparty]

If memory serves, it was around 30% before it started, then it jumped way up when it started, but of course I'm going by my memory of polls. Polls aren't always accurate and neither is my memory, so I could be wrong.

 

[The Lone Gunmen]

I guess you can't make an analogy between one mismanged program (SS) & another supposedly mismanged program (Iraq).

Of course not. It's not fair to do that, because Social Security was started by a Democrat.

 

[JoshuaW]

I guess you can't make an analogy between one mismanged program (SS) & another supposedly mismanged program (Iraq).

Ask the millions of old people who rely on SS as their sole income if it is "mismanaged". Oh I forgot, conservatives think we should do away with Social Security and let old people fend for themselves.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I guess you can't make an analogy between one mismanged program (SS) & another supposedly mismanged program (Iraq).

SS can be fixed.
Iraq is a lost cause.

Even the crew of the Titanic knew when to stop trying to pump out the water, and when to head for the lifeboats.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Tell that to John Kerry & Bill Clinton who during Clinton's presidency thought Iraq had WMD.

And Clinton decided not to risk an invasion over what they thought -- the risk wasn't worth it.

 

[JustOneWay]

SS can be fixed but Democrats won't do anything to cooperate with Bush.

Bush couldn't pass SS with his own republican House and Senate. Cant blame the democrats for that....now Bush is a lame duck.

They're the only opinions that matter.

wrong.