The New and Improved No-Straw-Man Challenge

[Hammster]

Hammster, how do you get that mess out of me saying that I always declare it opinion and encourage 1 John 2:27?

That’s not just marginal misunderstanding.

If you are not certain, you shouldn’t be teaching.

Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.
— James 3:1

 

[Grip Docility]

Your commentary is extra-biblical.

I agree! I frequently point that out! I say my stuff is an opinion in hopes that people will throw all of their commentary away… and listen to what the Holy Spirit has to say!

All people, throw away me, all others, Ellen White, Joseph Smith, John Calvin, Papal writ, anything that isn’t Canon.

That’s my entire message in a nutshell.

 

[Hammster]

Say what?!?

My conclusion? You can’t piece together any verses and you’re judging the Holiest Trinity verses in scripture as “My Opinion”?

Those are the core verses trinity doctrine are built from. There’s only 1 Cannon, well 73 and 66 but you get it.

Ah. More commentary. You started with a presupposition. There’s no way that someone unfamiliar with the doctrine would come away as understanding the Trinity.

 

[Grip Docility]

If you are not certain, you shouldn’t be teaching.

Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, knowing that as such we will incur a stricter judgment.
— James 3:1

Hammster, I just posted all pertinent Trinity verses in order where they can be understood if a person isn’t against reading scripture only.

You really don’t see what is happening here?

 

[Hammster]

I agree! I frequently point that out! I say my stuff is an opinion in hopes that people will throw all of their commentary away… and listen to what the Holy Spirit has to say!

All people, throw away me, all others, Ellen White, Joseph Smith, John Calvin, Papal writ, AnYTHING that isn’t Canon.

That’s my entire message in a nutshell.

John 3:16 (Can John please clear up Kosmou(s) for us?)

John 3:16 For God so Loved the World, that He gave His Only Begotten Son, that Whosoever believes in Him, shall not Perish, but have eternal Life. Do we have any assistance with the Greek word "Kosmon(s)" in this passage? If only the author of the book of John, John the Beloved and Revelator...

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That’s commentary. And no mention of opinion.

 

[Hammster]

Hammster, I just posted all pertinent Trinity verses in order where they can be understood if a person isn’t against reading scripture only.

You really don’t see what is happening here?

I do. You have a presupposition that you’ve tried to support.

 

[Grip Docility]

Ah. More commentary. You started with a presupposition. There’s no way that someone unfamiliar with the doctrine would come away as understanding the Trinity.

Hammster, you will pay money for commentary, use it to add to scripture in your heart, in place of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ to the point where you can't defend your most ardent point of teaching and rebuke to others... concerning the very Character of God... and you really don't see that which I am trying to speak softly towards?

 

[Grip Docility]

John 3:16 (Can John please clear up Kosmou(s) for us?)

John 3:16 For God so Loved the World, that He gave His Only Begotten Son, that Whosoever believes in Him, shall not Perish, but have eternal Life. Do we have any assistance with the Greek word "Kosmon(s)" in this passage? If only the author of the book of John, John the Beloved and Revelator...

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That’s commentary. And no mention of opinion.

No, it's taking scripture at face value. I don't say this often, but why do you think that 10000's of Hebrew and Greek linguists that put bibles together haven't retranslated John 3:16 to suit Calvin's writings? Calvin's writings have been available for over 400 years, lots of bibles. This is a logical question to ask one's self.

This is a simple, logical question. Why doesn't it read.... For God so loved the Elect, that He gave His only Begotten Son, that the Elect shall not perish, but have everlasting life?

I'm not being funny or anything. Haven't you asked yourself this question? I know the answer.

 

[Grip Docility]

Do you acknowledge that you cannot. If you do, I am bound to prove that I can... and I will, or my words are then erased as meaningless.

All go as far as saying that nobody can. But maybe you’re the exception.

Yes. It doesn’t say anything about commentary, either positive or negative.

Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

Revelation 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

The 73 book and 66 book Canon was literally sealed and decided upon, by the very BLOOD of heretics. It has and always will be the only acceptable source of Doctrine, as expressed by the very words GOD BREATHED.

Jesus Himself said; You search the scriptures... these testify of ME. The TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ as revealed from Canon and unacceptably anywhere else.

I accept your YES and now am bound to keep my word. Dearest Jesus, I give all glory to you alone, please, by your Holy Ghost, make my mind nimble and my fingers accurate, by your revealed scriptures. So Be It. This is the result of Commentary free Trinity Doctrine. Are there more verses I could have included? Yes, but that would have taken days. I hit the target on this..

I do. You have a presupposition that you’ve tried to support.

Hammster, you can't build Trinity doctrine on your own. I'm not making this up. We had this discussion. I'm trying to speak out of humility. You know that I proofed my assertion. Why aren't you able to address the actual issue that is being illuminated?

 

[Hammster]

Hammster, you will pay money for commentary, use it to add to scripture in your heart, in place of the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ to the point where you can't defend your most ardent point of teaching and rebuke to others... concerning the very Character of God... and you really don't see that which I am trying to speak softly towards?

Yeah. You want me to follow your teaching.

 

[Hammster]

No, it's taking scripture at face value. I don't say this often, but why do you think that 10000's of Hebrew and Greek linguists that put bibles together haven't retranslated John 3:16 to suit Calvin's writings? Calvin's writings have been available for over 400 years, lots of bibles. This is a logical question to ask one's self.

This is a simple, logical question. Why doesn't it read.... For God so loved the Elect, that He gave His only Begotten Son, that the Elect shall not perish, but have everlasting life?

I'm not being funny or anything. Haven't you asked yourself this question? I know the answer.

You gave commentary.

 

[Hammster]

Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

Revelation 22:19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.

The 73 book and 66 book Canon was literally sealed and decided upon, by the very BLOOD of heretics. It has and always will be the only acceptable source of Doctrine, as expressed by the very words GOD BREATHED.

Jesus Himself said; You search the scriptures... these testify of ME. The TESTIMONY of Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ as revealed from Canon and unacceptably anywhere else.

I accept your YES and now am bound to keep my word. Dearest Jesus, I give all glory to you alone, please, by your Holy Ghost, make my mind nimble and my fingers accurate, by your revealed scriptures. So Be It. This is the result of Commentary free Trinity Doctrine. Are there more verses I could have included? Yes, but that would have taken days. I hit the target on this..

Hammster, you can't build Trinity doctrine on your own. I'm not making this up. We had this discussion. I'm trying to speak out of humility. You know that I proofed my assertion. Why aren't you able to address the actual issue that is being illuminated?

More commentary. Imagine that.

 

[Grip Docility]

You gave commentary.

I'm the author of my commentary and I challenge all readers of it to not only ditch my commentary, but all extra biblical writings. If a person says they're Only Scripture, than prove it! Ditch all extra biblical writings. Clear the teachings, all of them out of one's mind, and start new. Start with just the Holy Spirit of Christ and Prayer, and a favorite version of the Bible.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and so you do not need anyone to teach you". "But as his anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, abide in him

Matthew 23:10 Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ

 

[Grip Docility]

More commentary. Imagine that.

Scripture isn't commentary. You do understand that Canon is drenched in Blood, right? It's kind of a big deal, right? I'm sincere, here. Do you see it? Do you understand this simple historical fact?

 

[Grip Docility]

I agree! I frequently point that out! I say my stuff is an opinion in hopes that people will throw all of their commentary away… and listen to what the Holy Spirit has to say!

All people, throw away me, all others, Ellen White, Joseph Smith, John Calvin, Papal writ, anything that isn’t Canon.

That’s my entire message in a nutshell.

Yeah. You want me to follow your teaching.

No. Hammster... Do you believe that Scripture is Authentic and Real, God Breathed and sufficient to stand on it's own?

 

[Hammster]

I'm the author of my commentary and I challenge all readers of it to not only ditch my commentary, but all extra biblical writings. If a person says they're Only Scripture, than prove it! Ditch all extra biblical writings. Clear the teachings, all of them out of one's mind, and start new. Start with just the Holy Spirit of Christ and Prayer, and a favorite version of the Bible.

1 John 2:27 But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and so you do not need anyone to teach you". "But as his anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, abide in him

Matthew 23:10 Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ

You apparently don’t understand what’s meant by Sola Scriptura. Hint: it’s not Solo Scriptura.

 

[Hammster]

Scripture isn't commentary. You do understand that Canon is drenched in Blood, right? It's kind of a big deal, right? I'm sincere, here. Do you see it? Do you understand this simple historical fact?

Your commentary on scripture is commentary. Your assembly of certain verses to try to get a point across is commentary.

 

[Hammster]

No. Hammster... Do you believe that Scripture is Authentic and Real, God Breathed and sufficient to stand on it's own?

That’s a Socratic question. Thats teaching.

 

[Grip Docility]

You apparently don’t understand what’s meant by Sola Scriptura. Hint: it’s not Solo Scriptura.

I actually do know what the hint is. It's a term that is well recognized as humorous. It's like saying, I'm drinking water only, then drinking a root beer. This is the Protest acting exactly as what they protested against, in all honesty. It's a circular logic. That guy is bad because he uses sprite in his water squirting pistol, so I'm going to use sprite in my water squirting pistol. It's awkward.

When I say scripture only, I am saying Cross Reference, Language Lexicons, maybe History maps and information about Bible history and translation sifting through one verse to see scholarly opinions of what the root to English means to different translators.

 

[Grip Docility]

That’s a Socratic question. Thats teaching.

Hammster, are you genuinely not processing these words? Can you answer them?

Do you believe that Scripture is Authentic and Real, God Breathed and sufficient to stand on it's own? <- That is also known as human communication. Are you so enthralled with debate, that the humanity within you doesn't see the simple me, asking you a question? I'm not playing games, or anything.