The 10 Commandments and the Law of Moses

[JesusFollowerForever]

Arguments arise about the relevance of the 10 Commandments and the Law of Moses. I would like to explain here the differences between the two based on scripture (KJV).
The Ten Commandments

First, the 10 Commandments that were given by GOD, were written by the finger of GOD himself on tables of stone;
Deu 10:1 At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.
Deu 10:2 And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.
Deu 10:3 And I made an ark of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand.
Deu 10:4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.
Deu 10:5 And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me.
Note that the tablets were placed INSIDE the Ark of the Covenant under the Mercy seat. The 10 commandments are on a permanent medium, STONE, they are a permanent record. the 10 Commandments are referred to in the biblical texts as My Commandments or His Commandments. The 10 Commandments are the Moral law left to humanity, Jews and Gentiles alike.
The Law of Moses
Moses wrote a separate set of Laws that contained ordinances precepts, and statutes. They contained many things that were important for the Israelites of that time such as food laws, purity laws, social laws, sacrifice and offerings, instructions for the tabernacle, the priesthood, the sacrifices the feasts and more. Moses also copied to text what was on the tables of stone, the commandments but it does not mean the 10 commandments given by GOD are from Moses, The 10 Commandments have a HOLY status and are forever and are Distinct and separate from the Law of Moses. The law of Moses written on parchment or other similar medium was TEMPORARY by nature and was put OUTSIDE the ark of the covenant as it is written;
Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
Deu 31:27 For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the LORD; and how much more after my death?
The Mercy Seat
The mercy seat covering the Ark of the Covenant puts the emphasis on the Holiness of the Ark of the Covenant and it's contents, the Ten Commandments written on tables of stone;
Exo 25:17 And thou shalt make a mercy seat of pure gold: two cubits and a half shall be the length thereof, and a cubit and a half the breadth thereof.
Exo 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
Exo 25:19 And make one cherub on the one end, and the other cherub on the other end: even of the mercy seat shall ye make the cherubims on the two ends thereof.
Exo 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth their wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces shall look one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
Exo 25:21 And thou shalt put the mercy seat above upon the ark; and in the ark thou shalt put the testimony that I shall give thee.
Exo 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which are upon the ark of the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.

The mercy seat was the cover of the ark of the covenant where the Lord would meet with Moses over the 2 cherubim. The ark is HOLY and the contents, the 10 commandments are HOLY being written by GOD himself on a permanent medium ( stone )
Once per year on the day of Atonement, the High priest had to sprinkle blood on the mercy seat covering the ark containing the 10 commandments from a sacrifice for forgiveness of sin. Sin being defined as breaking the 10 commandments, the moral law written on the tablets of stone INSIDE THE ARK.


Yeshua, the messiah, the son of GOD, was the ultimate sacrifice, He paid the price for our sins with his blood unto death. Since the Final sacrifice for sin was fulfilled By Christ, The Law of Moses was therefore no longer applicable, it was a temporary Law contrary to the 10 Commandments that will not pass away. The two set of laws were, kept separately, given differently and written differently.


Jesus said we must keep the Ten Commandments to be saved, (Mat. 19:16-19). We are not saved by our obedience to God's law, but by grace thru faith. We must repent of our sins having transgressed the commandments. Repentance changes us from disobedience to willing obedience. Those who are willing to obey the Ten Commandments shall enter thru the gates into the HOLY City;
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
His Commandments are sure and are Love and stand for ever and ever.
Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
Peace

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

In the Gospel of John, Jesus emphasizes the importance of obedience, stating, "If ye love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15, KJV). While this statement doesn't explicitly mention the Ten Commandments, it reflects Jesus's broader teachings on obedience to his instructions. Jesus further elaborates on this theme in Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV), affirming the enduring significance of the Law: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Jesus doesn't merely emphasize external adherence to the commandments. In his teachings, he expands their meaning, focusing on the internal disposition of the heart. For instance, in Matthew 5:21-30 (KJV), Jesus connects the commandment against murder with the internal attitude of anger and equates lust with adultery of the heart. This illustrates Jesus's emphasis on the spirit of the law rather than just its literal observance.

Jesus provides a concise summary of the commandments in Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV), stating, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind... Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." In this statement, Jesus encapsulates the essence of the commandments, highlighting love for God and love for others as the foundational principles of righteous living.

While Jesus affirmed the importance of the Law, including the Ten Commandments, his teachings transcended mere adherence to external rules. He called his followers to embody the underlying principles of love, justice, and righteousness in their actions and attitudes, fulfilling the true intent of the commandments as he taught them.

Blessings

 

[Clare73]

In the Gospel of John, Jesus emphasizes the importance of obedience, stating, "If ye love me, keep my commandments" (John 14:15, KJV). While this statement doesn't explicitly mention the Ten Commandments, it reflects Jesus's broader teachings on obedience to his instructions. Jesus further elaborates on this theme in Matthew 5:17-18 (KJV), affirming the enduring significance of the Law: "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Jesus doesn't merely emphasize external adherence to the commandments. In his teachings, he expands their meaning,

Actually, as LawgiverJesus was giving new law.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Actually, as LawgiverJesus was giving new law.

Hello Claire, what about what you would call the old Law, is it done with? if so what part of the law or all of it including the commandments?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Hello Claire, what about what you would call the old Law, is it done with? if so what part of the law or all of it including the commandments?

There are two concepts we need to address: Divine Law broadly, and Torah specifically.

Torah is Divine Law, but Divine Law is not, necessarily, Torah.

In the Garden God said, "From the tree of the knowledge of good and evil do not eat from it" that is Law, Divine Law, commanded by God. But it wasn't Torah.

Torah refers to those instructions (Hebrew: mitzvot often translated as "commandments") by which the Jewish people, the Israelites, were to conduct themselves as the Covenant nation and people of God. By Covenant, here, is that covenant which God made uniquely and specifically with the Jewish people on Mt. Horeb in Sinai. The Torah was not given to anyone else, in fact, the Torah itself says so (Deuteronomy 5:2-3). The Torah was not given to the patriarchs, or to any other people, but to the people there at the base of the mountain.

This is why St. Paul, in his letters, goes to before the giving of the Torah, to the promises made to Abraham, in order to speak about that righteousness apart from the Torah, apart from good works, the righteousness of faith--faith in the Messiah. Just as Abraham trusted God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness, so too do those who trust in the Messiah receive righteousness--not by what they do, but by what Christ has done for them/us.

The Torah was given uniquely to the Jewish people, the Covenant which God established with them on Mt. Horeb. But the Gospel is for everyone, not just the Jews, those who received the Torah; but for all nations. This is why Paul will say that circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing--that for both the circumcised and uncircumcised are the same promises in the Messiah; and that there is neither Jew nor Greek, that the Gospel is the power of God to save all who have faith, the Jew first and also the Greek/Gentile. Etc.

So the Torah, under this New Covenant, established through Christ for all people, fulfilling what was promised in the Old Covenant, does not apply to us who have faith in Jesus the Messiah. I am under no compulsion to observe the mitzvot which were given to the Jews, I do not need to wear fringes on my clothing, or avoid mixed fabrics, I am not rendered ritually unclean by touching a corpse or through certain bodily functions, I do not need to give ritual offerings of grain or animals, at the Tabernacle/Temple, or anywhere else. I am not compelled and am not under any compulsion to observe the weekly Sabbath, any New Moon, or the sacred observances of the Jews which was part of their unique calling under the Covenant of Sinai.

This does not, however, mean I am permitted to live lawlessly. As though "Do not murder" does not apply to me, or as though I may profane the Holy Name of God, or that I may abuse my neighbor in anyway through deceit, jealousy, or theft.

The Great and High Commandment of Jesus Christ given to us is taken verbatim from two places in the Torah: From Deuteronomy "You shall love the LORD your God" and from Leviticus "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." And both St. Paul and St. James point to the love of neighbor as the great and total sum of Divine Law (Galatians 5:14 and James 2:8).

Just because the Torah does not apply to us does not mean we are lawless, for Law remains, clearly and explicitly. And by this Law we are judged and condemned as sinners, "For all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory", whether we are Jew or Gentile, receivers of the Torah or having never received the Torah; all are held in contempt of God's Divine Law and Judgment and equally and unanimously guilty as being sinners.

Our only salvation, our only hope against the righteous accusation of God's Law and Judgment, is mercy--grace. Grace which is poured out through the Messiah upon all by His life, suffering, death, and resurrection. Which we receive purely and entirely as grace, as gift, a righteousness apart from the Torah, a righteousness apart from commandments, a righteousness that we do not and cannot do--but a righteousness which God gives as pure gift: the imputed righteousness of Jesus Himself. He, the Righteous One, Just in all ways, is the justifier of the unjust. His justice makes us just, for by grace we receive that justice by which we are declared just on Christ's account; for by grace we have been clothed with Christ, by grace we have died with Christ and become buried with Christ, and have risen up together with Christ to share in His life. So that where we are fell, because Adam sinned and therefore all sin; so Christ has been righteous and reckoned all righteous (see Romans 5:18).

So the Law remains, condemning sin in us; but by grace we have been forgiven of all our sin and reckoned as just for Christ's sake. This is the mercy of God. And what remains for us is not the observation of days and seasons, or the sacrifices of bulls and pigeons, or the rituals of purity; but instead that our lives become as living sacrifices unto God, that we love the Lord our God and love our neighbor as ourselves. That our lives be conformed, in holiness and godliness, to the image of Christ who offered Himself freely and emptied Himself to become a slave, suffering willingly in humble obedience to the Father. To therefore live our lives accordingly as disciples, bearing our own cross of dsicipleship, bearing the hardships of this life in all the struggles, both in the struggles against the old Adam that continues to wage war against the new man which we have recieved by grace; as well as the external struggles of an unjust and fallen world--looking forward in the hope of the promises of God toward future redemption: the resurrection of the body and the life everlasting; when all things shall be made new.

Therefore abiding in Christ, being transformed by the renewing of our minds, living in humble repentance and obedience to God as He calls us, summons us, to a life shaped by Christ, identified with the suffering of the cross, in love toward others. We offer ourselves, even our own bodies, as living sacrifices, pleasing to God, offering to God the sacrifice of praise--for having received all good gifts from Him, we now strive toward taking hold of that which God has called us in Christ. And which He shall accomplish in us, for the good which He has given us and is calling us. So that in all things He should be glorified. To live is Christ and to die is gain. And we offer ourselves, as slaves of God and to righteousness, to offer ourselves, as Christ offered Himself, to live as servant and sacrifice toward our neighbors. For as Christ served the unworthy in love, so should we.

For greater else than ll things is love, for it is that most excellent way. (1 Corinthians 12:31)

-CryptoLutheran

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

There are two concepts we need to address: Divine Law broadly, and Torah specifically.

Torah is Divine Law, but Divine Law is not, necessarily, Torah.

In the Garden God said, "From the tree of the knowledge of good and evil do not eat from it" that is Law, Divine Law, commanded by God. But it wasn't Torah.

Torah refers to those instructions (Hebrew: mitzvot often translated as "commandments") by which the Jewish people, the Israelites, were to conduct themselves as the Covenant nation and people of God. By Covenant, here, is that covenant which God made uniquely and specifically with the Jewish people on Mt. Horeb in Sinai. The Torah was not given to anyone else, in fact, the Torah itself says so (Deuteronomy 5:2-3). The Torah was not given to the patriarchs, or to any other people, but to the people there at the base of the mountain.

This is why St. Paul, in his letters, goes to before the giving of the Torah, to the promises made to Abraham, in order to speak about that righteousness apart from the Torah, apart from good works, the righteousness of faith--faith in the Messiah. Just as Abraham trusted God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness, so too do those who trust in the Messiah receive righteousness--not by what they do, but by what Christ has done for them/us.

The Torah was given uniquely to the Jewish people, the Covenant which God established with them on Mt. Horeb. But the Gospel is for everyone, not just the Jews, those who received the Torah; but for all nations. This is why Paul will say that circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing--that for both the circumcised and uncircumcised are the same promises in the Messiah; and that there is neither Jew nor Greek, that the Gospel is the power of God to save all who have faith, the Jew first and also the Greek/Gentile. Etc.

So the Torah, under this New Covenant, established through Christ for all people, fulfilling what was promised in the Old Covenant, does not apply to us who have faith in Jesus the Messiah. I am under no compulsion to observe the mitzvot which were given to the Jews, I do not need to wear fringes on my clothing, or avoid mixed fabrics, I am not rendered ritually unclean by touching a corpse or through certain bodily functions, I do not need to give ritual offerings of grain or animals, at the Tabernacle/Temple, or anywhere else. I am not compelled and am not under any compulsion to observe the weekly Sabbath, any New Moon, or the sacred observances of the Jews which was part of their unique calling under the Covenant of Sinai.

This does not, however, mean I am permitted to live lawlessly. As though "Do not murder" does not apply to me, or as though I may profane the Holy Name of God, or that I may abuse my neighbor in anyway through deceit, jealousy, or theft.

The Great and High Commandment of Jesus Christ given to us is taken verbatim from two places in the Torah: From Deuteronomy "You shall love the LORD your God" and from Leviticus "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." And both St. Paul and St. James point to the love of neighbor as the great and total sum of Divine Law (Galatians 5:14 and James 2:8).

Just because the Torah does not apply to us does not mean we are lawless, for Law remains, clearly and explicitly. And by this Law we are judged and condemned as sinners, "For all have sinned and fallen short of God's glory", whether we are Jew or Gentile, receivers of the Torah or having never received the Torah; all are held in contempt of God's Divine Law and Judgment and equally and unanimously guilty as being sinners.

Our only salvation, our only hope against the righteous accusation of God's Law and Judgment, is mercy--grace. Grace which is poured out through the Messiah upon all by His life, suffering, death, and resurrection. Which we receive purely and entirely as grace, as gift, a righteousness apart from the Torah, a righteousness apart from commandments, a righteousness that we do not and cannot do--but a righteousness which God gives as pure gift: the imputed righteousness of Jesus Himself. He, the Righteous One, Just in all ways, is the justifier of the unjust. His justice makes us just, for by grace we receive that justice by which we are declared just on Christ's account; for by grace we have been clothed with Christ, by grace we have died with Christ and become buried with Christ, and have risen up together with Christ to share in His life. So that where we are fell, because Adam sinned and therefore all sin; so Christ has been righteous and reckoned all righteous (see Romans 5:18).

So the Law remains, condemning sin in us; but by grace we have been forgiven of all our sin and reckoned as just for Christ's sake. This is the mercy of God. And what remains for us is not the observation of days and seasons, or the sacrifices of bulls and pigeons, or the rituals of purity; but instead that our lives become as living sacrifices unto God, that we love the Lord our God and love our neighbor as ourselves. That our lives be conformed, in holiness and godliness, to the image of Christ who offered Himself freely and emptied Himself to become a slave, suffering willingly in humble obedience to the Father. To therefore live our lives accordingly as disciples, bearing our own cross of dsicipleship, bearing the hardships of this life in all the struggles, both in the struggles against the old Adam that continues to wage war against the new man which we have recieved by grace; as well as the external struggles of an unjust and fallen world--looking forward in the hope of the promises of God toward future redemption: the resurrection of the body and the life everlasting; when all things shall be made new.

Therefore abiding in Christ, being transformed by the renewing of our minds, living in humble repentance and obedience to God as He calls us, summons us, to a life shaped by Christ, identified with the suffering of the cross, in love toward others. We offer ourselves, even our own bodies, as living sacrifices, pleasing to God, offering to God the sacrifice of praise--for having received all good gifts from Him, we now strive toward taking hold of that which God has called us in Christ. And which He shall accomplish in us, for the good which He has given us and is calling us. So that in all things He should be glorified. To live is Christ and to die is gain. And we offer ourselves, as slaves of God and to righteousness, to offer ourselves, as Christ offered Himself, to live as servant and sacrifice toward our neighbors. For as Christ served the unworthy in love, so should we.

For greater else than ll things is love, for it is that most excellent way. (1 Corinthians 12:31)

-CryptoLutheran

You follow paul's doctrines perfectly, I prefer to stick to the words of Christ.

 

[Clare73]

Hello Claire, what about what you would call the old Law, is it done with? if so what part of the law or all of it including the commandments?

The teaching of Jesus Christ (Ro 13:8-10, Mt 22:33-37-40) is that he who loves has fulfilled the law (Ro 13:8).

Loving God and neighbor fulfills it all, no written-code keeping required.

 

[ViaCrucis]

You follow paul's doctrines perfectly, I prefer to stick to the words of Christ.

Paul was Christ's holy apostle, a preacher of Christ, and his words proclaim with utmost clarity Christ and all that He said and did. What you say is like saying you wish to drink water but refuse to receive the outlet where the water is offered for you to drink.

God has provided for us a way to hear the Good Shepherd, and receive life-giving nourishment. The Holy Scriptures. Hear them and live, ignore them and starve. For man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceeds from the mouth of God.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Clare73]

You follow paul's doctrines perfectly, I prefer to stick to the words of Christ.

Paul received his teaching from Jesus Christ personally (Gal 1:11-12).
Paul was commissioned by Jesus Christ and God the Father to teach the church.(1 & 2 Co 1:1, Gal 1:1, Eph 1:1, Col 1:1, etc., etc., etc.).
Are you holier than God or Jesus Christ that you set aside the one whom they personally commissioned?

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

The teaching of Jesus Christ (Ro 13:8-10, Mt 22:33-37-40) is that he who loves has fulfilled the law (Ro 13:8).

Loving God and neighbor fulfills it all, no written-code keeping required.

Claire, how are you going to love God? by disregarding his commandments that he asked us to keep? do you believe that in heaven there will be 2 categories of elect Jews and gentiles with different set of laws or no laws? The elect are the ones who do the fathers will just like Jesus did and asks all of us followers to do the same either Jews or gentiles. Claire, fulfilled does not mean abolished, Jesus fulfilled the scriptures about himself in the old testament, the prophecies.

Matthew 7:21 (KJV): "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Matthew 12:50 (KJV): "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."
John 6:38 (KJV): "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me."
John 7:17 (KJV): "If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself."
John 9:31 (KJV): "Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth."

Blessings

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Paul received his teaching from Jesus Christ personally (Gal 1:11-12).
Paul was commissioned by Jesus Christ and God the Father to teach the church.(1 & 2 Co 1:1, Gal 1:1, Eph 1:1, Col 1:1, etc., etc., etc.).
Are you holier than God or Jesus Christ that you set aside the one whom they personally commissioned?

Many people do not understand Paul for example many verses of Paul seem to point to the commandments not being necessary then again in other epistles that they are good and should be followed, surely you know of these verses. We cannot choose and pick there is only one truth. You know the verses in 2 peter 3 that say Paul is difficult to understand? Much confusion arise by reading Paul it is why there are so many denominations saying different things at the end, God holds all truth it why I follow Jesus above all else.

What about you, Claire, do you follow the 10 commandments?

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Paul was Christ's holy apostle, a preacher of Christ, and his words proclaim with utmost clarity Christ and all that He said and did. What you say is like saying you wish to drink water but refuse to receive the outlet where the water is offered for you to drink.

God has provided for us a way to hear the Good Shepherd, and receive life-giving nourishment. The Holy Scriptures. Hear them and live, ignore them and starve. For man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceeds from the mouth of God.

-CryptoLutheran

clarity? read 2 peter 3;
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

God has provided for us a way to hear the Good Shepherd, and receive life-giving nourishment. The Holy Scriptures. Hear them and live, ignore them and starve. For man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word which proceeds from the mouth of God.

yes all perfectly clear in matt, john, luke and mark!

jesus is the living waters, the light of the world.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Claire, how are you going to love God? by disregarding his commandments that he asked us to keep? do you believe that in heaven there will be 2 categories of elect Jews and gentiles with different set of laws or no laws? The elect are the ones who do the fathers will just like Jesus did and asks all of us followers to do the same either Jews or gentiles. Claire, fulfilled does not mean abolished, Jesus fulfilled the scriptures about himself in the old testament, the prophecies.

Matthew 7:21 (KJV): "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Matthew 12:50 (KJV): "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."
John 6:38 (KJV): "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me."
John 7:17 (KJV): "If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself."
John 9:31 (KJV): "Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth."

Blessings

Christ is in the center of His law as it is a reflection of His holy character that we are to take on His image. The law leads us to Christ Psa 19:7 Gal 3:24 and Christ leads us to obey the law. John 14:15-18 Exo 20:6 Mat 19:17-19 John 15:10 which includes the Ten Commandments that Jesus taught and lived as our example to follow. Mat 5:19-30 Isa 56:1-6 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 2:27 Mark 7:7-13 John 15:10. Anyone teaching anything different is only leading one down the wrong path. Mat 5:19 Rev 22:15 Mat 7:23 1 John 2:4 instead of the narrow path that leads to reconciliation Rev 14:12 Rev 12:17 1 John 2:3 Rev 22:14

Thanks for the post!

God bless.

 

[Clare73]

Claire, how are you going to love God? by disregarding his commandments that he asked us to keep?

You think love disregards the will of the beloved, or walks in unholiness?
You don't think the Holy Spirit gives one to know what is unpleasing to God?

do you believe that in heaven there will be 2 categories of elect Jews and gentiles with different set of laws or no laws? The elect are the ones who do the fathers will just like Jesus did and asks all of us followers to do the same either Jews or gentiles. Claire, fulfilled does not mean abolished, Jesus fulfilled the scriptures about himself in the old testament, the prophecies.

Matthew 7:21 (KJV): "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Matthew 12:50 (KJV): "For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother."
John 6:38 (KJV): "For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me."
John 7:17 (KJV): "If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself."
John 9:31 (KJV): "Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth."

Blessings

 

[Clare73]

Many people do not understand Paul for example many verses of Paul seem to point to the commandments not being necessary then again in other epistles that they are good and should be followed, surely you know of these verses. We cannot choose and pick there is only one truth. You know the verses in 2 peter 3 that say Paul is difficult to understand? Much confusion arise by reading Paul it is why there are so many denominations saying different things at the end, God holds all truth it why I follow Jesus above all else.

What about you, Claire, do you follow the 10 commandments?

And more!

Does love by the Holy Spirit in the heart of the believer need commandments to tell it how to love?

One doesn't even have to know the commandments when one loves God, they are necessarily part of one's loving Holy Spirit behavior.

It's not complicated.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Love, righteousness and holiness if not based on our subjective views, but based on God’s definition. Exo 20:6 John 14:15 1 John 5:3 Romans 7:12 Psa 119:172 because Christ’s righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142 Isa 56:1-7 and ours is as filthy rags Isa 64:6 so best to let God define and live by His Word. God will not edit the Words that He spoke Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18 our ways are not above God’s ways and no one is above the Authority of God, the Creator of everything.

Paul said he needed to know what the Ten Commandments were, otherwise he would not know what sin was Rom 7:7 are we wiser than he? To receive Christ grace and mercy we must repent and forsake our sins Pro 28:13 if we are relying on our version of what sin is and not God’s version Mat 5:18-30 Rom 7:7 and not what is covered under His mercy seat that all will be judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 it will put us in a bad spot come Judgement Day. Mat 7:23 Rev 22:15 There’s another option and that is to trust the teachings of Jesus Mat 5:17-30 Mat 15:3-14 and follow His example. John 15:10 1 John 2:6 and live by them Mat 4:4 James 1:22-24

 

[ViaCrucis]

clarity? read 2 peter 3;
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Why are you quoting 2 Peter? Do you agree with the epistle of 2 Peter that Paul's writings are Holy Scripture? If so, then you've already defeated your initial response to me earlier. If you don't agree with 2 Peter, then why are you quoting it at all? If it's not authoritative, then why treat it authoritatively?

So which is it, 2 Peter is authoritative or it's not?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ralliann]

And more!

Does love by the Holy Spirit in the heart of the believer need commandments to tell it how to love?

One doesn't even have to know the commandments when one loves God, they are necessarily part of one's loving Holy Spirit behavior.

It's not complicated.

Abraham, did a superb job of it. 430 years before Moses law.
Ro 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

You think love disregards the will of the beloved, or walks in unholiness?
You don't think the Holy Spirit gives one to know what is unpleasing to God?

I agree, I am glad you are a true follower of Christ and the commandments and all he taught us. As for me I hear Christ's voice and follow only him.

Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Jhn 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Jhn 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck themout of my Father's hand.

Blessings Claire.