essentialsaltes said:

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) is calling for the resignation of Florida GOP Chairman Christian Ziegler, who is ensnared in a police inquiry involving alleged sexual battery.
“He’s innocent till proven guilty, but we just can’t have a party chair that is under that type of scrutiny.”

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This. I agree with this.

I know people can and do make false accusations for personal gain, but you really can't have someone under police scrutiny for a potential current offense in a position of authority, if he is some kind of sex offender you don't want to subject women to having to work under him.

The individual in question should take the personal time to deal with the legal issues and come back to public life after his name is officially cleared, or of course not if not.

Stuff like this gives me the creeps.

KevinT said:

Perhaps we don't disagree as much as I thought. I had to look up the definition of deontological:

"The ethical study of duties, obligations, and rights, with an approach focusing on the rightness or wrongness of actions themselves and not on the goodness or badness of the consequences of those actions." ​

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I agree that having a system that can look at the big picture is better than the nit-picking system that had developed among the Jews of that time, where the tithing of herbs from the garden was emphasized over larger concepts of justice, mercy and faith. But as Jesus said, both should be done (Mat 23:23)

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I wouldn't say Jesus said both should be done, as there is a difference between endorsing an action and stating that it's possible to focus on more important things without neglecting the importance of others.

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You mentioned Col 2. Regarding Paul's instruction there:

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. (Col 2:16)​

How would this sentence be different if I were to rewrite it as,

"Therefore do not let anyone judge you by who you marry and sleep with -- even if it be your father's wife" ? (Kevin's rewrite)​

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There are fundamentally the same. In Col 2:16, Paul is making reference to old Jewish regulations, and rejecting them. So I just swapped out one old Jewish restriction for another. But note the contrast to 1 Cor 5 where Paul states just the opposite. That is the passage I posted earlier about the immoral church member who married his father's wife.

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Those aren't fundamentally the same, because the one is something that is specifically Jewish and tied up in having a Jewish identity and the other is prohibited far more widely, basically universally. Paul doesn't contradict his words in Colossians or Galatians or Romans in Corinthians, unless one or the other or both are twisted. Especially since Paul's words in 1 Cor 5 are not about whether or not the one caught in sin is justified, with the sanction against him not being a matter of condemnation but as an attempt for him to self-correct. It is hand him over to Satan so that his flesh may be destroyed and his soul saved, which implies that his justification is not tied into his adherence to the law but is dependent on the grace he has received from God.

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Paul says different things at different times when talking to different people. As far as I am concerned, he is unreliable as a source of doctrine. I think he was the Lord's chosen agent to reach the Gentiles, and he was a Godly man who was doing the very best in dedicating his entire life to God's work. But when he is not consistent, I don't trust him. And in addition to not being consistent with himself, he appears to me to not be consistent with the rest of the Bible. Peter commented that Paul was hard to understand, I believe for just such reasons. I am not throwing Paul out. I believe God had given him an understanding that worked for the situation he was in. But I don't think what Paul wrote then is always applicable in a larger scope. And if today I see someone drinking poison wood grain alcohol (methanol), I am certainly going to judge them as headed for big problems, and am going to intervene to the best of my ability. And if the man replies that he isn't going to "let me judge him by what he drinks," I will try all the harder to help him see that he is misguided. Details matter.

Best wishes
KT

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Jesus also says different things at different times, because they are addressing different issues and different audiences. It would be totally inappropriate for a doctor to prescribe chemotherapy for an allergic reaction, or antibiotics for cancer. Attempts to create a universal, one-sized fits all systematic doctrine are almost certainly in error, but not because the sources are in any way insufficient or because of any contradictions within the Biblical data. So on the one hand you're correct that what Paul has written isn't always applicable, but not for the reasons that you seem to be putting forward for it.

Jamdoc said:

It's a useless sign because it doesn't point to anything.
It's like putting a roadsign somewhere out in the middle of the desert with a city's name on it, without a distance, or even a direction just "hey it exists out there somewhere"

When God did give indications of something still a ways off, He gave time, like Daniel's 70 weeks.
when there's something an unknown distance away, as in Jesus didn't know when the day or hour would be, only the events would happen in quick succession, He gave signs to watch for, rather than a timeline, and those signs were to be close to the event so that people could watch for them and know what was coming next.
It was "when you see this, know it's close, even at the door"
not "when you see this, generations of people will live and die and something will happen someday"

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It points to the times we live in and exposes the harlot Babylon, the love of simplicity and lack of knowledge,


Protestantism rejected the law when they secularized society, which enriched the merchants. I leave simplicity and lack of knowledge to its reward. I'm done correcting you.

Lady Bug said:

I heard that V2 was the reason for mine too. Why did V2 order this?

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Here's a book that can explain it in detail:

Ugly As Sin: Why They Changed Our Churches from Sacred Places to Meeting Spaces-And How We Can Change Them Back Again​

The above book is a marvelous companion book to the following two tomes:

Why Catholics Can't Sing: The Culture of Catholicism and the Triumph of Bad Taste​

What Went Wrong With Vatican II: The Catholic Crisis Explained​

Amazon.com

Mercy Shown said:

Meribah was a place in the desert where the people refused to believe that God was leading them, and they rebelled. God told Moses to speak to a rock, and it would bring forth water, but Moses, in his anger, struck the rock twice, and water still gushed out. Hebrews 4 refers to this example when explaining why the nation of Israel did not enter His rest. However, Hebrews 4 states that there is a new opportunity for God's people to enter His rest, which is today. The rest that was forfeited at Meribah was not the seventh-day Sabbath; it was the Sabbath of the promised land. The seventh-day Sabbath is an example of that rest. Just as God rested from His works, we are to rest from ours by faith in Jesus great sacrifice.

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Brother, you have the reason God was angry with them and made an "oath" to punish them, but not how God accomplished His punishment with Manna in the desert so that those who died, "they will never enter my place of rest". Importantly, Joshua was among those punished in the desert with Manna who entered the promised land, yet did not give Israel this another "day" of rest still to come. The rest cannot be the promised land for those that died in the desert because Joshua entered the promised land but did not succeed in giving Israel this another "day" of rest still to come. This was a punishment in addition to not letting them enter the promised land for 40 years with Manna in the desert.


Paul tells us what he means by his use of the word "rest". "Rest" in this passage does not mean anything other than what Paul tells us he means in the following passage; the rest of God on the seventh "day" of creation. The passage reveals that Judaism has not fully understood God's rest on the seventh "day" of creation to enter God's "day" of rest outside of Jerusalem like here in the United States. They have a human tradition of the Sabbath and not the true biblical Sabbath since creation. What I learned is that when God made the seventh day of creation holy, He separated that "day" from the week, fixing His "day" of rest in the time zone of Eden and that is why Jerusalem remembers the Sabbath half a day earlier than the true seventh day of the week in Jerusalem, the days of the week being from morning to morning and not from evening to evening.


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Hebrews 13:5
Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

Love of money does not mean wrong to want enough money to supply your needs now and for future but the term used is covetousness to not be satisfied unless you have as much as another just because you hate another to be jealous which you dont need and not wrong to want to help others but must not be pursued instead of to neglect relationship with God to seek first the kingdom that you are giving enough time to following God during the day at the same time while you work.

For the saying you can not serve God and mammon does not mean you cant seek mammon but not serve it to put it first so it is master that you should be serving God first that that is the meaning that while you are serving God you are not serving mammon and if you put that first you are not servant of mammon and should be content with what you have now even if seek for more and not to be motivated by jealousy which is tied to hate.

To not worry about tommorow means not to worry about what may happen to what you have now that you dont be charitable because you fear you will not have enough for tommorow and maybe that you work more than you need to for fear of not having enough even if you have enough now for today and future.

LoveDivine said:

Thank you. Drawing and painting is mostly just a hobby for me. It's my way to unwind from my busy job. I love portraits, but I have the most fun drawing/painting florals. I agree though that the right pencils/pastels would be much better for drawing portraits. I will definitely invest in those if I decide to practice drawing portraits.

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You've chosen a great way to unwind.
Some people sit in front the big screen TV, and flick through channels, and end up wasting several hours watching things that are of no benefit.

I can understand your choice of genre, since doing portraits require more effort, than doing flowers.
The different colors of flowers would certainly be refreshing.
I'm sure you would enjoy painting all the beautiful scenes in the new world. That's something I look forward to... and doing it with endless time available.

Charming building, isn't it?

Ana the Ist said:

Are they relevant to the OP?

Is this a discussion of whether or not the pardon was reasonable or some sad attempt at painting the governor or Texas in general as racist?

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It's a discussion of whether or not the pardon was reasonable. You - as usual - seem to be hung up on the use of the word "racism" over a year ago. Do you have an alert set or something?

Ana the Ist said:

Perhaps there's quite a bit of reasonable doubt to the story.

Unless there's evidence that he drove to the protest with the intent of shooting people, it seems at least reasonable that the victim either intentionally or unintentionally aimed at the man who now pardoned and died because of it.

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Somehow I doubt anything has changed that would cast any doubt in the year since the verdict was rendered. But I'll let Rob speak for himself.

essentialsaltes said:

I can just imagine how 'free' Christians would feel if public schools were forbidden from discussing [i.e. teaching about] Christianity.

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They shouldn’t be teaching about Christianity or any religion in a public school as far as I’m concerned. That’s something parents should teach their kids not schools

Dr Graham said:

I agree, science is just man's attempt to understand God's creation.

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Even atheists are very amazed at Creation. They just have no regard for the creator.

prodromos said:

It's a mystery why they call it the History channel.

• They conflate the 'secret diary' account with Operation High Jump in Antarctica, however the so called 'diary' gives a fictional account of his flight over the Arctic.
• Admiral Byrd flew over the North Pole in 1926. In the 'secret diary', it says he was contacted by residents of the hollow earth due to concerns after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, except that didn't happen until 1945

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I have to agree with you here, someone is lying.

Welcome to CF! I read your prayer request and I'm praying for your mind to open up in new was. May you be blessed.

Wow!
Lovely.

Welcome to CF! Nice to have you join us.

GoldenKingGaze said:

I read of Roger Williams a US founding father, that he was displeased with the Quakers short Christology. It is a benefit to have expansive operating theology. Pneumatology is also too short compared with Christology... Angelology should be thorough.

Old angelology may contain limits placed to up the anti- Catholic stance, which are not accurate.

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The two are NOT linked. Period

The study of angels is separate from the study of the Holy Spirit

That is as plain as day.

2PhiloVoid said:

Should I support Israel or should I not? ............... and being that I think that this is too general and dichotomous of a question, I refrain from answering it either way and apply it on a more individual level to each person living in or around Israel.

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Well, I'd rather have the democracy than the terrorists as leaders, so I support Israels right to defend itself against acts of war perpetrated against them.

Israel isn't perfect, but I don't think they are nearly as bad as we are. I do think we do too much meddling, but Israel just wants to be left alone really.

Yes they have a problem with the settlements and it's a point of contention, but that doesn't mean Israel shouldn't be allowed to defend itself against attacks.

During an actual war like this where there's so many moving parts because these are just Iran's proxy wars (and Iran has seriously stepped up their game now as Israel is fighting on two fronts) I think Israel itself has to figure their own plans out because they are threading a needle trying to deal with this anyway.

They don't want us involved in their war, they just need people saying hey, Israel is fighting terrorists and have a right to defend themselves

It's not a shocking concept to us but there's Marxist's in the world who want to make that a shocking thing, but it's just because they don't like us. I'm all for changing some of our ways; the US always managed to meddle when we were invited to and I'm perfectly happy fixing that to some degree ...

But I'm not going stupid either. There's a middle ground.

But what does Israel need? Just some one to stand up for our common values on the world stage, the UN and the like.

That and they like buying our weapons - I have no issues we apparently sell them...

In war will I throw them a few dollars if we can on top of that, sure... But we don't have to go crazy, and let's face it we aren't doing for Israel anything even remotely like we are doing for the Ukraine and they have never asked us to. (If they did I'd say no).

That's my stance. I do believe the removal of Hamas is necessary though, that's as much for Palestinians as for Israel. I don't want them in power, they are bad for everyone. I would like to see a real chance for a prosperous Palestinian state when it gains statehood. That's best for everyone there. It will literally never happen if Hamas retains power

BCP1928 said:

It's happening now. Petroleum is becoming more expensive to extract and catastrophic effects of climate change are being felt all over the world.
What are you waiting for?

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What's the date of mass death? I know it's happening CO2 is rising along with methane, I read a paper a while back that said 400 years. We need to ease into it with balance instead of one extreme to another. A lot of EV's still in the lot. Energy costs are hurting Americans and oil might be headed up. How could it not with all the trade route disruptions? I'll get to live how my parents lived in the 70s, inflation. My kids are struggling in this country, 2 don't own homes because of prices. Because in my 30s I was set.

Read The Bible and believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Larniavc said:

I think you may be referring to intrusive thoughts.

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No, that is a separate part of OCD. I'm referring to OCD in the form of social rumination or the ritual of analyzing social interactions. In this case, the constant compulsive going over what they said or did is the OCD ritual. It can be considered a form of checking, like checking locks compulsively, except here they are checking to make sure they didn't say the wrong thing, even if they know they said nothing controversial. For some this could be tied to scrupulosity OCD, like a Christian afraid they somehow said something that was immoral or dishonest.

Whether or not it would be defined as OCD behavior just depends on how extreme it is for the individual. Similar to how washing your hands a little too much would not be considered OCD. However, excessive hand washing is one of the most common forms of OCD.

Jeffrey Bowden said:

Here’s Rev 3:10 (ESV): Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.”

“I will keep YOU from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, TO try THOSE who dwell upon the earth.”

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"I will keep you from the hour of trial" does not say I will take you out of the earth, that is only an assumption. God is not limited ,He can try the unbelievers while keeping the believers safe.

What I am saying here is nowhere does the passage say God will remove believers to keep them safe. We should not add words that are not there.

Jeffrey Bowden said:

Rev 6:10 proves those who dwell on the earth are UNBELIEVERS:

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Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

The above verse proves those souls in heaven are only those slain for the word of God not all Christians of all time.

Jeffrey Bowden said:

Rev 6:10 (ESV): They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

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Does not state there are no living believers on earth only those guilty of the blood of saints are to be judged.

Jeffrey Bowden said:

In Rev 3:10, only “THOSE” are referred to as “those who dwell on the earth.” “THOSE” are UNBELIEVERS.

In Rev 3:19, only “YOU” refers to BELIEVERS. We are “YOU” and we will not be on Earth during the Trib. You need to follow the wording and be honest about the two groups. Read it properly and fully and you will see the truth.

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Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Are the two passages above referring to a time during the tribulation?

These passages show the ticket to heaven is martyrdom not a pre-trib rapture..

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Daniel 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

Is the above passage during the tribulation? Where is there a trip too heaven in this passage?

Rev 3:10 is not a proof text for a pre-trib rapture.

Shows us just one passage in the entire Bible that actually says (without making assumptions) believers are raptured to Heaven.

Tuur said:

Speaking of light, I once did a pencil and ink rendering of earthrise on the moon because I was impressed by the sharpness o f the shadows. Since the moon doesn't have an atmosphere, shadows are particularly sharp. Either you have shades of color from lunar material, or the absolute black of the absence of light, with no in between. It turned out to be very easy to draw. As I recall, I was listening to Sousa's New Mexico when I drew it. That, however, is may be a subject for Visual Arts.

Anyway, it was the contrast of light that inspired me to sketch that. Since I'm more of a drafting and mapping type, that might have been another reason it was easy.

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The photos of earthrise on the moon are awesome. I bet your rendering turned out really cool.