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<blockquote data-quote="Moral Orel" data-source="post: 68118148" data-attributes="member: 377019"><p>If morality is ingrained on our souls, then our conscience will make us feel bad about it right? If it doesn't what evidence is there that morality is ingrained on our souls? You can't just cite the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil as evidence. So if someone, somewhere, has done something, and not felt bad about it in the slightest, and has even justified it to himself and others, then that is not an objective moral. So try to think of a moral that someone has broken and then not felt bad about it. They would have to feel bad to prove that the moral ever existed in them. If they don't feel bad, then it wasn't ingrained in their soul.</p><p></p><p>Before you answer this, really think about what I said about psychopaths. Whatever crime you might think is a good example for you to post, it really, probably has been done by some psychopath and we don't really need to start looking up people that have done this crime or that crime and going over it here. Things don't need to get that dark. </p><p></p><p>Remember that a psychopath has no morals, no sense of right or wrong. And they have a different brain than the rest of us, so it would mean that the brain is where our morals are stored, and not an intangible soul. The very fact that a different brain creates a lack of morals proves that it is a biological process, and not a theistic one.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Let me ask you this then, did God invent the automobile? Sure, he knows everything, so he knew how to build an automobile before he created the universe, but did he give that information to humans? Or did we do it with our own ingenuity? It is your opinion that there is some metaphysical thing called a "conscience". I believe it to be a set of learned behaviors that are as much a part of us as our memory of past events or knowledge of technical skills. That's why some folk have different morals than other folk.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The starting point, as I understand it, is a sense of justice and a feeling of empathy. That's what some folk have described as the basis that we built all of our morals on. But just those two feelings don't constitute the broad range of morals that we have decided upon today. They are the basis, and we have grown morals with them in mind. Just look at the evolution of man through written history. Have we not grown as a people from barbarism to civilization? Morals are the back bone of that progress.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Moral Orel, post: 68118148, member: 377019"] If morality is ingrained on our souls, then our conscience will make us feel bad about it right? If it doesn't what evidence is there that morality is ingrained on our souls? You can't just cite the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil as evidence. So if someone, somewhere, has done something, and not felt bad about it in the slightest, and has even justified it to himself and others, then that is not an objective moral. So try to think of a moral that someone has broken and then not felt bad about it. They would have to feel bad to prove that the moral ever existed in them. If they don't feel bad, then it wasn't ingrained in their soul. Before you answer this, really think about what I said about psychopaths. Whatever crime you might think is a good example for you to post, it really, probably has been done by some psychopath and we don't really need to start looking up people that have done this crime or that crime and going over it here. Things don't need to get that dark. Remember that a psychopath has no morals, no sense of right or wrong. And they have a different brain than the rest of us, so it would mean that the brain is where our morals are stored, and not an intangible soul. The very fact that a different brain creates a lack of morals proves that it is a biological process, and not a theistic one. Let me ask you this then, did God invent the automobile? Sure, he knows everything, so he knew how to build an automobile before he created the universe, but did he give that information to humans? Or did we do it with our own ingenuity? It is your opinion that there is some metaphysical thing called a "conscience". I believe it to be a set of learned behaviors that are as much a part of us as our memory of past events or knowledge of technical skills. That's why some folk have different morals than other folk. The starting point, as I understand it, is a sense of justice and a feeling of empathy. That's what some folk have described as the basis that we built all of our morals on. But just those two feelings don't constitute the broad range of morals that we have decided upon today. They are the basis, and we have grown morals with them in mind. Just look at the evolution of man through written history. Have we not grown as a people from barbarism to civilization? Morals are the back bone of that progress. [/QUOTE]
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