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<blockquote data-quote="Moral Orel" data-source="post: 68109852" data-attributes="member: 377019"><p>Highlight what you want, and then a little black box pops up "+quote". Then when you go to add quotes, it's in the list.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So if we use your translation of the Bible it becomes less clear because "under tribute" could mean different things. When researching which Bible I ought to look through, I found that the English Standard Version is supposedly the one that tries to do as close to a word to word translation as possible. Your version seems to go the vague route, I can't translate myself, so I don't know if that can get cleared up or not, but I would bet on mine, being the more specific one.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, you are making a <em>huge</em> assumption that they were practicing witchcraft. Unless you're defining witchcraft as any other religion besides Judaism. I suppose you could make that comparison to the idolatry part, that you claim, but witchcraft means something special aside from idolotry. But for both cases, you are again making an assumption unless you have some other citation that has something to do with the cities that are "at a distance".</p><p></p><p>Actually, if you keep reading from that chapter, God goes on to explain that they are to kill everything that breathes in the cities that are close so that they don't corrupt the Israelites with their idolatry, so it would seem that the safe assumption (without any other relevant information) would be that the far cities weren't practicing these things because they weren't a concern to God in that manner.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So what if you got tired of smacking your slaves every day because they were lazy? What if you could give them just one savage beating, and then they would fear you enough to work hard all the time, and you wouldn't have to worry anymore? Sure you lose productivity for a couple days, but then they work harder all the time, for a long time. Even if that didn't work all the time, it seems to follow logic, so I'm sure that I'm not the first person to think of it. So when you accuse me of "insinuating", you should recognize that people generally do whatever they can within the extent of the law. Look at marijuana, once it became legal, a lot more people went out and bought some. We have laws for a reason, and that's because people would do worse if we didn't have them. It would be an unnaturally rosy outlook to assume that people, in general, chose to be nicer and kinder than they absolutely have to be, because this just isn't found in society or history. Side note, police officers aren't really a good example considering all the things going on in the news right now. I'm <em>not</em> opening that can of worms though. As for chains or restraints, you are making another assumption. Unless you can find a Bible verse that explicitly states it was not allowed, I would bet on the worst out of humans.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Do you think that they shared everything in the desert after Egypt, or do you think that a lot of people came out of the desert richer than others? Does the history of the rich and poor tell you anything about the general nature of people? And even still, sharing everything makes everything work better. That's what the Apostles were doing, it isn't something special to moving around, sharing is always good. I guess that would be a whole other branch to the argument, and I don't want to get more side tracked. Point is, people gave away everything they had to help people because of their faith and were happy about it, no reason that the rich Israelites couldn't do the same.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This seemed a bit out of place. Are you saying this about my stance in general? Because that is my stance, and you seem to think it is okay to do those things. I believe corporal punishment is wrong, which I know can be controversial. I believe people ought to be paid a decent wage for a hard days work, and by decent I mean enough to support your family (i.e. minimum wage). But I also believe in freedom, don't you?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Moral Orel, post: 68109852, member: 377019"] Highlight what you want, and then a little black box pops up "+quote". Then when you go to add quotes, it's in the list. So if we use your translation of the Bible it becomes less clear because "under tribute" could mean different things. When researching which Bible I ought to look through, I found that the English Standard Version is supposedly the one that tries to do as close to a word to word translation as possible. Your version seems to go the vague route, I can't translate myself, so I don't know if that can get cleared up or not, but I would bet on mine, being the more specific one. Secondly, you are making a [I]huge[/I] assumption that they were practicing witchcraft. Unless you're defining witchcraft as any other religion besides Judaism. I suppose you could make that comparison to the idolatry part, that you claim, but witchcraft means something special aside from idolotry. But for both cases, you are again making an assumption unless you have some other citation that has something to do with the cities that are "at a distance". Actually, if you keep reading from that chapter, God goes on to explain that they are to kill everything that breathes in the cities that are close so that they don't corrupt the Israelites with their idolatry, so it would seem that the safe assumption (without any other relevant information) would be that the far cities weren't practicing these things because they weren't a concern to God in that manner. So what if you got tired of smacking your slaves every day because they were lazy? What if you could give them just one savage beating, and then they would fear you enough to work hard all the time, and you wouldn't have to worry anymore? Sure you lose productivity for a couple days, but then they work harder all the time, for a long time. Even if that didn't work all the time, it seems to follow logic, so I'm sure that I'm not the first person to think of it. So when you accuse me of "insinuating", you should recognize that people generally do whatever they can within the extent of the law. Look at marijuana, once it became legal, a lot more people went out and bought some. We have laws for a reason, and that's because people would do worse if we didn't have them. It would be an unnaturally rosy outlook to assume that people, in general, chose to be nicer and kinder than they absolutely have to be, because this just isn't found in society or history. Side note, police officers aren't really a good example considering all the things going on in the news right now. I'm [I]not[/I] opening that can of worms though. As for chains or restraints, you are making another assumption. Unless you can find a Bible verse that explicitly states it was not allowed, I would bet on the worst out of humans. Do you think that they shared everything in the desert after Egypt, or do you think that a lot of people came out of the desert richer than others? Does the history of the rich and poor tell you anything about the general nature of people? And even still, sharing everything makes everything work better. That's what the Apostles were doing, it isn't something special to moving around, sharing is always good. I guess that would be a whole other branch to the argument, and I don't want to get more side tracked. Point is, people gave away everything they had to help people because of their faith and were happy about it, no reason that the rich Israelites couldn't do the same. This seemed a bit out of place. Are you saying this about my stance in general? Because that is my stance, and you seem to think it is okay to do those things. I believe corporal punishment is wrong, which I know can be controversial. I believe people ought to be paid a decent wage for a hard days work, and by decent I mean enough to support your family (i.e. minimum wage). But I also believe in freedom, don't you? [/QUOTE]
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