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Why did God still allow so many people to live in literall Hell conditions?
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<blockquote data-quote="SANTOSO" data-source="post: 76549853" data-attributes="member: 429277"><p>Beloved one, have you not heard what apostle James :</p><p></p><p>“For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.”</p><p>James 3:16 NKJV</p><p></p><p>Didn’t those who make others lived in hellish conditions —self seeking ? They were. Were they not envious of themselves? They were. </p><p>Were there evil there? There were. </p><p></p><p>If you said that God continued to let it stands— that people lives in a pure hell conditions, they should still be living in hellish conditions. But now they are not ! If they are not, that means that God don’t let them live in hellish conditions now. So God don’t let it stand, as you perceived. </p><p></p><p>Were there confusion ? There were. </p><p></p><p>Should we be confused ? We should not. How we should not be confused.</p><p></p><p>This is what apostle Paul said to us:</p><p>“For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, <strong>not only to believe in Him</strong>, <strong>but also to suffer for His sake, </strong>having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.”</p><p>Philippians 1:29-30 NKJV</p><p></p><p>If we should suffer hellish conditions, we should not only believe in Christ but also to suffer for His sake, having the same conflict which we saw in apostle Paul and now we hear is apostle Paul, that is, faith and love in Christ Jesus. </p><p></p><p>So we should not be confused because it has been granted to us to suffer on behalf of Christ, that we should not only believe in Him but also to suffer for His name’ sake. </p><p></p><p>If you are concerned that you are like many only having a faith that is a fluff, it is because you have not obtained precious faith.</p><p></p><p>This we heard:</p><p>“Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, <strong>To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:</strong>”</p><p>II Peter 1:1 NKJV</p><p></p><p>Beloved one, obtain this precious faith with apostles and bond servants of Christ by the righteousness of God and Savior Jesus Christ.</p><p>Then, you will have the strength of God to suffer for His name’s sake. </p><p></p><p>You said,”You may have it awful now, but you get to have the reward of Jesus one day" and dismisses the scars or wounds that people have.”</p><p></p><p>Do Jesus dismiss the scars or wounds that people have ? No. </p><p></p><p>For we heard:</p><p>“and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if <strong>indeed we suffer with Him, </strong>that we may also be glorified together.”</p><p>Romans 8:17 NKJV</p><p></p><p>Did we only suffer for His name’s sake ? No but also indeed we suffer WITH HIM. </p><p></p><p>So there were scars or wounds that we had ,inasmuch Jesus also had, for Jesus suffered with us.</p><p></p><p>Are we confused that we have to suffer like this ? This we heard:</p><p></p><p>“always carrying about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. </p><p></p><p>For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus’ sake, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh.”</p><p>II Corinthians 4:10-11 NKJV</p><p></p><p>“For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also abounds through Christ.”</p><p>II Corinthians 1:5 NKJV</p><p></p><p>Beloved one,if we are suffering for His name’sake, we suffer with Him, we shall also abound with consolation through Christ.</p><p></p><p>Beloved one, all desires of the hearts and minds whether they be physical or romantic intimacy, greatness and success, even more dire things like lack of food and basic humane resources, that you said. Let us understand this, that we heard:</p><p></p><p>“<strong>For the love of Christ constraineth us; </strong>because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: <strong>and that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.”</strong></p><p>2 Corinthians 5:14-15 KJV</p><p></p><p>It is because of the love of Christ that constrained us, that we should not live unto ourselves but unto Him, which died for us and rose again. </p><p></p><p>As we also heard:“<strong>And we have such trust through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, </strong>who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.”</p><p>II Corinthians 3:4-6 NKJV</p><p></p><p>Beloved one, you cannot compare Jesus with wizard. Jesus is not a fairy tale character. And you should not compare the gospel with the wizard of oz. Are you concerned about ending? This we heard in the gospel:</p><p></p><p>“For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; <u>afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. </u><strong>Then cometh the end, when he ( Christ) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; </strong>when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.”</p><p>1 Corinthians 15:21-26 KJV</p><p>So before the end come, the question is: Do you belong to Christ? This question that matters answering.</p><p></p><p>Are you concerned about ruthless dictators ? For it is written:</p><p>“And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and <strong>will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.”</strong></p><p>Isaiah 13:11 KJV</p><p></p><p>Weren’t ruthless dictators terrible ? The Lord said that He will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. </p><p></p><p>Beloved one, are you still going to judge God, God stands with the terrible ? Are you still going to judge Jesus, that He dismisses the scars and wounds of His beloved ? Are you envious that you were born in peaceful time and country ? Didn’t we hear those who were envious also self seeking that they are confused and didn’t perceive evil there in their hearts? Beloved one, repent, for you didn’t know what you were saying. </p><p></p><p>To God the Father be thanksgiving through Christ. Amen</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SANTOSO, post: 76549853, member: 429277"] Beloved one, have you not heard what apostle James : “For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.” James 3:16 NKJV Didn’t those who make others lived in hellish conditions —self seeking ? They were. Were they not envious of themselves? They were. Were there evil there? There were. If you said that God continued to let it stands— that people lives in a pure hell conditions, they should still be living in hellish conditions. But now they are not ! If they are not, that means that God don’t let them live in hellish conditions now. So God don’t let it stand, as you perceived. Were there confusion ? There were. Should we be confused ? We should not. How we should not be confused. This is what apostle Paul said to us: “For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, [B]not only to believe in Him[/B], [B]but also to suffer for His sake, [/B]having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.” Philippians 1:29-30 NKJV If we should suffer hellish conditions, we should not only believe in Christ but also to suffer for His sake, having the same conflict which we saw in apostle Paul and now we hear is apostle Paul, that is, faith and love in Christ Jesus. So we should not be confused because it has been granted to us to suffer on behalf of Christ, that we should not only believe in Him but also to suffer for His name’ sake. If you are concerned that you are like many only having a faith that is a fluff, it is because you have not obtained precious faith. This we heard: “Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, [B]To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:[/B]” II Peter 1:1 NKJV Beloved one, obtain this precious faith with apostles and bond servants of Christ by the righteousness of God and Savior Jesus Christ. Then, you will have the strength of God to suffer for His name’s sake. You said,”You may have it awful now, but you get to have the reward of Jesus one day" and dismisses the scars or wounds that people have.” Do Jesus dismiss the scars or wounds that people have ? No. For we heard: “and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if [B]indeed we suffer with Him, [/B]that we may also be glorified together.” Romans 8:17 NKJV Did we only suffer for His name’s sake ? No but also indeed we suffer WITH HIM. So there were scars or wounds that we had ,inasmuch Jesus also had, for Jesus suffered with us. Are we confused that we have to suffer like this ? This we heard: “always carrying about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus’ sake, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh.” II Corinthians 4:10-11 NKJV “For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also abounds through Christ.” II Corinthians 1:5 NKJV Beloved one,if we are suffering for His name’sake, we suffer with Him, we shall also abound with consolation through Christ. Beloved one, all desires of the hearts and minds whether they be physical or romantic intimacy, greatness and success, even more dire things like lack of food and basic humane resources, that you said. Let us understand this, that we heard: “[B]For the love of Christ constraineth us; [/B]because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [B]and that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.”[/B] 2 Corinthians 5:14-15 KJV It is because of the love of Christ that constrained us, that we should not live unto ourselves but unto Him, which died for us and rose again. As we also heard:“[B]And we have such trust through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, [/B]who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.” II Corinthians 3:4-6 NKJV Beloved one, you cannot compare Jesus with wizard. Jesus is not a fairy tale character. And you should not compare the gospel with the wizard of oz. Are you concerned about ending? This we heard in the gospel: “For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; [U]afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. [/U][B]Then cometh the end, when he ( Christ) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; [/B]when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” 1 Corinthians 15:21-26 KJV So before the end come, the question is: Do you belong to Christ? This question that matters answering. Are you concerned about ruthless dictators ? For it is written: “And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and [B]will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.”[/B] Isaiah 13:11 KJV Weren’t ruthless dictators terrible ? The Lord said that He will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. Beloved one, are you still going to judge God, God stands with the terrible ? Are you still going to judge Jesus, that He dismisses the scars and wounds of His beloved ? Are you envious that you were born in peaceful time and country ? Didn’t we hear those who were envious also self seeking that they are confused and didn’t perceive evil there in their hearts? Beloved one, repent, for you didn’t know what you were saying. To God the Father be thanksgiving through Christ. Amen [/QUOTE]
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