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Why did God ceate such a cruel world?
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<blockquote data-quote="bling" data-source="post: 68946314" data-attributes="member: 216174"><p>You do ask a good question that everyone asks sometime in their life, so God addresses this question first off with the story of Adam and Eve the third chapter of the book. Adam and Eve had the world you might think you want (Please! do not get the idea it is all Adam and Eve’s fault. They are just the best representatives the human race could have showing us that the wonderful Garden of Eden situation is a lousy place for a human to fulfill his earthly objective)</p><p></p><p></p><p>The story of Adam and Eve (Gen 3)(you do not have to believe it is true to get the message) is told very early, because all individuals ask the question: “Why would a truly Loving God not put us all in a Garden type situation?” The story of A&E explains why we are in our situation:</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">God desires that we all be in a Garden type situation, but God quenches His own desire to provide a better situation for us to fulfill our earthly objective.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Our earthly object is not to “worship God”, run around free, just don’t sin, or be good. God does not need anything from us, but is just trying to give something to us. God is trying to give us the greatest power in all universes; the power that compels God to do all He does, but that power cannot be forced on us (take it or I torture you) or can it be instinctive to man (robotically programmed in humans). It is a gift from God that is totally undeserved and unconditional (so it is Charity), but man has to accept the gift as it was given. Humans, instinctive to survival, (which is good for man to have) do not like to take charity especially if it comes at a huge cost to the giver.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The gift is Godly type Love which is best defined by Christ’s words and deeds. God will do all he can to help those that are willing to accept His help, fulfill their earthly objective of accepting His Love and growing that Love. Included in all that God will do and allow to happen are: Christ going to the cross, satan roaming the earth, sin, hell and tragedies of all kinds. <br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">First off; death is the way good people get to go home and the way bad people stop doing bad stuff.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">It is truly unfortunate and not God’s desire that tragedies have to occur. God has to quench His desire to allow tragedies, for man’s sake to help humans accept Love. People have to see, experience, witness, receive and even give Godly type Love, before they will even understand and desire such a Love. Some even after receiving Godly type Love from an individual just like themselves will not want it or explain it away (the person is just trying to gain respect or earn their way to heaven or they are making up for the bad they have done).<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Everyone on earth is needy, because everyone has hurt others (sinned) and should feel the burden of the sin. Their creator is trying to give them Love in the form of forgiveness so they will Love (…he that is forgiven much will Love much…)<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">There are a huge amount of sever tragedies in this world, but they are really opportunities for good people to show, give, experience and witness Godly type Love. With all those tragedies some good people are still not responding, so are more needed? It is not our job to provide tragedies, but to solve, reduce, eliminate all we can, by allowing the Spirit to work through us.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Scripture tells us the needy will be with us always on this earth. Christ did not “heal” all those that were sick, but used those around Him to express Godly Love and show us how we are to handle tragedies (serve others with Love). Healing everyone without the witness of Godly type Love being seen in serving individual like any other person would not get people to accept God’s Love in faith and humility.<br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">This world is not our Home and our rest comes later. It is both a privilege and Honor to allow the Holy Spirit to work through us in serving others in this world to best help everyone around us to accept God’s Love. <br /> <br /> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">If you had to find the most Christ Like person in the world today, where would you look?<br /> </li> </ol><p>I see Jesus explaining it in John 9: 1-7.</p><p></p><p>In John 9: 1-7 you have a tragedy (the apostles are asking about a specific tragedy, but they do not know this individual and are thinking in general terms [you need to get into their head]).</p><p></p><p>Jesus does not say: “this tragedy was caused by: Adam/Eve sinning, Satan, sin, bad luck, God or evil in the world (those have been our answers).”</p><p></p><p>Jesus does not say: “It was because of the bad that happened”, but does say: “This is for the good that can (and in this case will) happen.”</p><p></p><p>If you have lived for very long, you have seen good come from some tragedies, but why not all tragedies?</p><p></p><p>Is someone keeping good from coming from every tragedy?</p><p></p><p>Everything that is happening in the world right now (disease, natural disasters, and tragedies of all kinds) are not the result of the bad that has happened, but is the result of the GOOD <strong>that can happen</strong>! </p><p></p><p>God is quenching His desire to have us all in a Garden type situation to help us fulfill our objective. </p><p></p><p>Everything starts and ends with the objective;</p><p></p><p></p><p>The objective of humans is to: “Love God (and secondly others) with all your heart, soul, mind, and energy and Love others.” The definition of “Love” is key for it is not instinctive or just emotional but it is Love of your enemies, described by Jesus’ life and Paul in 1 Cor. 13 and by John. It requires a free will moral decision to Love over likely alternatives (the perceived pleasures of sin for a season). The fall was tragic and not God’s desire, but may have been both inevitable and necessary. For all humans since the fall that have come to Love God started out by accepting God’s Love in the form of forgiveness. </p><p></p><p>Needy people create opportunities to experience, see, accept, express and receive Godly type Love. Everyone needs the full opportunity to accept Godly type Love which may have to be done when the person reaches the bottom like the prodigal son.</p><p></p><p>Death is the way bad people stop doing bad stuff and the way good people get to be in a close paradise situation with God.</p><p></p><p>The innocent that died as the result of God’s action may not really suffer as far as we know.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bling, post: 68946314, member: 216174"] You do ask a good question that everyone asks sometime in their life, so God addresses this question first off with the story of Adam and Eve the third chapter of the book. Adam and Eve had the world you might think you want (Please! do not get the idea it is all Adam and Eve’s fault. They are just the best representatives the human race could have showing us that the wonderful Garden of Eden situation is a lousy place for a human to fulfill his earthly objective) The story of Adam and Eve (Gen 3)(you do not have to believe it is true to get the message) is told very early, because all individuals ask the question: “Why would a truly Loving God not put us all in a Garden type situation?” The story of A&E explains why we are in our situation: [LIST=1] [*]God desires that we all be in a Garden type situation, but God quenches His own desire to provide a better situation for us to fulfill our earthly objective. [*]Our earthly object is not to “worship God”, run around free, just don’t sin, or be good. God does not need anything from us, but is just trying to give something to us. God is trying to give us the greatest power in all universes; the power that compels God to do all He does, but that power cannot be forced on us (take it or I torture you) or can it be instinctive to man (robotically programmed in humans). It is a gift from God that is totally undeserved and unconditional (so it is Charity), but man has to accept the gift as it was given. Humans, instinctive to survival, (which is good for man to have) do not like to take charity especially if it comes at a huge cost to the giver. [*]The gift is Godly type Love which is best defined by Christ’s words and deeds. God will do all he can to help those that are willing to accept His help, fulfill their earthly objective of accepting His Love and growing that Love. Included in all that God will do and allow to happen are: Christ going to the cross, satan roaming the earth, sin, hell and tragedies of all kinds. [*]First off; death is the way good people get to go home and the way bad people stop doing bad stuff. [*]It is truly unfortunate and not God’s desire that tragedies have to occur. God has to quench His desire to allow tragedies, for man’s sake to help humans accept Love. People have to see, experience, witness, receive and even give Godly type Love, before they will even understand and desire such a Love. Some even after receiving Godly type Love from an individual just like themselves will not want it or explain it away (the person is just trying to gain respect or earn their way to heaven or they are making up for the bad they have done). [*]Everyone on earth is needy, because everyone has hurt others (sinned) and should feel the burden of the sin. Their creator is trying to give them Love in the form of forgiveness so they will Love (…he that is forgiven much will Love much…) [*]There are a huge amount of sever tragedies in this world, but they are really opportunities for good people to show, give, experience and witness Godly type Love. With all those tragedies some good people are still not responding, so are more needed? It is not our job to provide tragedies, but to solve, reduce, eliminate all we can, by allowing the Spirit to work through us. [*]Scripture tells us the needy will be with us always on this earth. Christ did not “heal” all those that were sick, but used those around Him to express Godly Love and show us how we are to handle tragedies (serve others with Love). Healing everyone without the witness of Godly type Love being seen in serving individual like any other person would not get people to accept God’s Love in faith and humility. [*]This world is not our Home and our rest comes later. It is both a privilege and Honor to allow the Holy Spirit to work through us in serving others in this world to best help everyone around us to accept God’s Love. [*]If you had to find the most Christ Like person in the world today, where would you look? [/LIST] I see Jesus explaining it in John 9: 1-7. In John 9: 1-7 you have a tragedy (the apostles are asking about a specific tragedy, but they do not know this individual and are thinking in general terms [you need to get into their head]). Jesus does not say: “this tragedy was caused by: Adam/Eve sinning, Satan, sin, bad luck, God or evil in the world (those have been our answers).” Jesus does not say: “It was because of the bad that happened”, but does say: “This is for the good that can (and in this case will) happen.” If you have lived for very long, you have seen good come from some tragedies, but why not all tragedies? Is someone keeping good from coming from every tragedy? Everything that is happening in the world right now (disease, natural disasters, and tragedies of all kinds) are not the result of the bad that has happened, but is the result of the GOOD [B]that can happen[/B]! God is quenching His desire to have us all in a Garden type situation to help us fulfill our objective. Everything starts and ends with the objective; The objective of humans is to: “Love God (and secondly others) with all your heart, soul, mind, and energy and Love others.” The definition of “Love” is key for it is not instinctive or just emotional but it is Love of your enemies, described by Jesus’ life and Paul in 1 Cor. 13 and by John. It requires a free will moral decision to Love over likely alternatives (the perceived pleasures of sin for a season). The fall was tragic and not God’s desire, but may have been both inevitable and necessary. For all humans since the fall that have come to Love God started out by accepting God’s Love in the form of forgiveness. Needy people create opportunities to experience, see, accept, express and receive Godly type Love. Everyone needs the full opportunity to accept Godly type Love which may have to be done when the person reaches the bottom like the prodigal son. Death is the way bad people stop doing bad stuff and the way good people get to be in a close paradise situation with God. The innocent that died as the result of God’s action may not really suffer as far as we know. [/QUOTE]
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