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Why did God ceate such a cruel world?
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<blockquote data-quote="oi_antz" data-source="post: 68928414" data-attributes="member: 261524"><p>FYI: It is based on a false premise. There was an obvious flaw, that is 'inexperience'. A famous statement regarding wisdom: "those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past, are doomed to repeat them".</p><p></p><p>That was the problem in the first place!</p><p></p><p>It just seems to me, that you're stuck in this idea that God wanted the world to be this way.</p><p></p><p>It first of all, was not full of pain and suffering, according to the facts in the story. Secondary, when people refuse to obey what they are told, and then they discover the consequences of the disobedience, then they will be twice as willing to obey next time. The plan includes that "soon", all who are determined to disobey are removed whereas all who are inclined to obedience are kept, and in that way the world become full of people who live God's way and we also have experience why it is best to do so. That experience is what Adam and Eve did not have. Experience is always associated with wisdom.</p><p></p><p>Probably not eh, considering the human's determination to do whatever they choose to do. But sure, my imagination is not that powerful.</p><p></p><p>I don't know much about disease. What I know about disease is that the immune system should be able to cope with it. I've always thought that an immune system that can't cope with disease must be somewhat compromised - perhaps by lifestyle factors, or inherited genetic damage. What do you reckon about this? If you were to consider that Adam and Eve were given perfect immune systems, and they had eaten the perfectly organic diet, lived in a pure environment, they would naturally resist disease perfectly? Do you think that these conditions should have been passed along all generations without fault?.</p><p></p><p>It's a long way from having no idea though. Do you speak to animals?</p><p></p><p>What is a natural disaster?</p><p></p><p>Earthquakes, Storms, Droughts, Volcanoes, Floods, Asteroids, Fires.</p><p></p><p>In these examples, storms floods, droughts and fires are a category of extremes where human activity could mitigate their effects and with proper management of the planet, could be entirely eliminated; whereas earthquakes, volcanoes and asteroids are those which cannot be prevented, they can only be detected and avoided.</p><p></p><p>That is to say, that God has also created us to be capable of coping with natural disasters.</p><p></p><p>Now that I have come to address your question - why make the world like this? - then I can see it is all just elementary to life: earthquakes and volcanoes are a result of superheated rock moving beneath the earth's crust, which is abrasive and when finds a critical weakness, causes the crust to break. Heat is a result of the sun, and the pressure of gravity (I think - as a layman), both of which are necessary for life on this planet. Storms etc are all to do with heat again, and the distrbution of water throughout the globe. I think we should be grateful that He did design it this way, TBH.</p><p></p><p>This has of course avoided the discussion of nuclear meltdowns - would you like to address that too?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="oi_antz, post: 68928414, member: 261524"] FYI: It is based on a false premise. There was an obvious flaw, that is 'inexperience'. A famous statement regarding wisdom: "those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past, are doomed to repeat them". That was the problem in the first place! It just seems to me, that you're stuck in this idea that God wanted the world to be this way. It first of all, was not full of pain and suffering, according to the facts in the story. Secondary, when people refuse to obey what they are told, and then they discover the consequences of the disobedience, then they will be twice as willing to obey next time. The plan includes that "soon", all who are determined to disobey are removed whereas all who are inclined to obedience are kept, and in that way the world become full of people who live God's way and we also have experience why it is best to do so. That experience is what Adam and Eve did not have. Experience is always associated with wisdom. Probably not eh, considering the human's determination to do whatever they choose to do. But sure, my imagination is not that powerful. I don't know much about disease. What I know about disease is that the immune system should be able to cope with it. I've always thought that an immune system that can't cope with disease must be somewhat compromised - perhaps by lifestyle factors, or inherited genetic damage. What do you reckon about this? If you were to consider that Adam and Eve were given perfect immune systems, and they had eaten the perfectly organic diet, lived in a pure environment, they would naturally resist disease perfectly? Do you think that these conditions should have been passed along all generations without fault?. It's a long way from having no idea though. Do you speak to animals? What is a natural disaster? Earthquakes, Storms, Droughts, Volcanoes, Floods, Asteroids, Fires. In these examples, storms floods, droughts and fires are a category of extremes where human activity could mitigate their effects and with proper management of the planet, could be entirely eliminated; whereas earthquakes, volcanoes and asteroids are those which cannot be prevented, they can only be detected and avoided. That is to say, that God has also created us to be capable of coping with natural disasters. Now that I have come to address your question - why make the world like this? - then I can see it is all just elementary to life: earthquakes and volcanoes are a result of superheated rock moving beneath the earth's crust, which is abrasive and when finds a critical weakness, causes the crust to break. Heat is a result of the sun, and the pressure of gravity (I think - as a layman), both of which are necessary for life on this planet. Storms etc are all to do with heat again, and the distrbution of water throughout the globe. I think we should be grateful that He did design it this way, TBH. This has of course avoided the discussion of nuclear meltdowns - would you like to address that too? [/QUOTE]
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