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<blockquote data-quote="Gxg (G²)" data-source="post: 61676203" data-attributes="member: 238335"><p>If people were inherently inclined to help others out and good, then unregulated capitalism would not be something to do. However, human nature shows otherwise EVERY time and has done so throughout history. This is why what often has been done in the name of "free market" and sharing has simply been a matter of plutocrats gaining more control over things as time progresses..</p><p> </p><p>And the issue impacts all on a small level since many of the resources we use daily are freely thrown on the backs of others to deal with when it comes to waste-----or when it comes to using resources from other places to make the products we use all the time here in the U.S. ...and not many catch that. The U.S is obligated to stop talking about the ways Americans work hard to better their future and yet we often import much of our waste to other nations as if it's their responsibility to handle our junk....with the benefit of "market demand" being what causes a lot of problems.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1oyFaOpJOo" target="_blank">Digital Dumping Ground</a></p> <p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JZey9GJQP0" target="_blank">Where does e-waste end up?</a> </p> <p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfyKn5dRu1k" target="_blank">Faces of China - Heavy Metal </a></p> <p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZTKLFenfSw" target="_blank">PBS Independent Lens - China Blue 2007 </a></p> <p style="text-align: center">e<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUK4cgyqsqo&feature=related" target="_blank">-waste | A growing environmental and health disaster in Ghana</a> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left">For another practical example, What you speak of is a part of a much larger and global issue going on when it comes to the ways wages are utilized around the world and cheap labor is done without proper compensation.</p><p></p><p style="text-align: left">I worked at Caribou Coffee for some time and got to see that reality first hand. Grew up getting used to the taste of coffee and coming to like it (even though I use alot of sweets in it). However, although I enjoy it and have worked at a Coffee shop (Caribou) for some time, I must say that it is a bit disturbing to see how addictive it can become.</p><p></p><p style="text-align: left">To consider the many ways that something that is a drug has become so accepted made me a bit unsettled. Moreover, it was a bit bothersome seeing the many ways in which coffee has been utilized to do ALOT of damage globally when it comes to many of the dangerous things done in trading/growing it. </p><p></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left">There was an excellent book I was able to read years ago entitled "Every Day Justice" that really helped me to see some of the ways coffee can be just as damaging as cocaine.....as <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=bNRSPzzxBnAC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=Coffee+:+Everyday+Justice&source=bl&ots=P_J0_aNsgY&sig=idfH-aCHryR6vEBty3drSwTxtbY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=T0NFT7WAPcmztwfg34GbAw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Coffee%20%3A%20Everyday%20Justice&f=false" target="_blank">seen here</a>.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=bNRSPzzxBnAC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=Coffee+:+Everyday+Justice&source=bl&ots=P_J0_aNsgY&sig=idfH-aCHryR6vEBty3drSwTxtbY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=T0NFT7WAPcmztwfg34GbAw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Coffee%20%3A%20Everyday%20Justice&f=false" target="_blank"><img src="http://files.myopera.com/Vishnue09/blog/everyday-justice-3628.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=julie%20clawson%3A%20%20coffee&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDAQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjulieclawson.com%2F2007%2F11%2F15%2Fcoffee-hour-morality%2F&ei=9EZFT7qqK46Itwfj1on2Ag&usg=AFQjCNFRnmfM7G97gfoA9bU4wNz3qsJvVQ" target="_blank"><span style="color: #1122cc"><strong>Coffee</strong> Hour Morality | onehandclapping</span></a></li> </ul> <p style="text-align: left">To see how many farmers don't get paid fairly and how many have literally been damaged with the amount of coffee they've been forced to produce was shocking---and yet we in the U.S have no problem drinking our coffee as if it didn't mean anything. <a href="http://www.equalexchange.coop/" target="_blank">Fair Trade coffee </a>is what I'd prefer nowadays that I realize how many aren't really given their due... </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left">As another said best, <a href="http://www.globalexchange.org/fairtrade/campaigns/coffee" target="_blank">"few Americans realize that agriculture workers in the coffee industry often toil in what can be described as 'sweatshops in the fields.' Many small coffee farmers receive prices for their coffee that are less than the costs of production, forcing them into a cycle of poverty and debt."</a>. </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left">Additionally, many coffee farmers have often had to switch from farming coffee beans to the cocoa trade (from which cocaine derives) and have been forced into the drug trade since they were not paid fairly for their work....and anyone familar with the drug trade economy is already aware of how much destruction has arisen from that.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left">Thankfully, other organizations are seeking to address this...and it's one of the reasons why I was glad for working at Caribou since their <a href="http://www.cariboucoffee.com/page/1/rainforest-alliance.jsp" target="_blank">"Rainforest Alliance"</a> program does alot of work on the matter.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left">As much as I love a good cup of coffee/brew, I have to to keep in mind how much the drink seems to be serving to do much evil all around the world.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left">For a good documentary on the matter, one can go online and look up the documentary entitled Black Gold. </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g-bFyw4iY4" target="_blank">Black Gold-Ethiopian Coffee-PART 1 of 8.wmv </a></p><p></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuY6KvqEqrc" target="_blank">Relationship Coffee Fair Trade Case Study - Part 1 of 2</a> </p><p></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzGs_Z7yF0g&feature=related" target="_blank">Relationship Coffee Fair Trade Case Study - Part 2 of 2 </a></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left">And for further reference:</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://www.organicconsumers.org/starbucks/coca.cfm" target="_blank"><span style="color: #1122cc">Coffee Crisis Leads to Drug Crops</span></a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/colombia/coca-coffee.htm" target="_blank"><strong>A Long Way From Coca to Coffee</strong></a> </p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/drugs/prices.htm" target="_blank"><strong>Coca Invades Colombia's Coffee Fields</strong></a> </p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://www.utdallas.edu/~pineres/The%20Illegal%20Drug%20Industry,%20Violence,%20and%20the%20Colombian%20Economy%20%20A%20Department%20Level%20Analysis.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color: #1122cc">The Illegal Drug Industry, Violence, and the Colombian Economy"</span></a></p> </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><p style="text-align: left"><a href="http://www.asij.ac.jp/highschool/academic/ss/mwh10/dave/michelle/readings/columbian_exchange.htm" target="_blank"><span style="color: #1122cc">The Columbian Exchange and Drugs Trade - The American School <strong>...</strong></span></a></p> </li> </ul> <p style="text-align: left">For another example, in reading the book "Everyday Justice", I was surprised to see the demands we often put on produce/veggies creates conditions even in the U.S akin to what one would expect in the days of SLAVERY/plantations. In 2010, I went with my best bud to Florida..and its still shocking to consider how many tomato farms limit others to slave-like conditions, with no fair wages and inhumane treatement of workers when it comes to chemicals they have to work with without protection to produce the tomatoes we enjoy. The US government has repeatedly uncovered slavery rings among farms in Florida, and in 2008, five farm owners were prosecuted for beating tomato harvesters ...with many cases of sexual harrassment on the women, who were migrant workers and forced into silence.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center">Taco Bell, which is one of the leading industries demanding tomatoes, was implicated in many cases for their working with these same farms---knowingly allowing it to continue as long as they got their produce on time. It was exposed recently..and only of late have they begun to try addressing the problem. But for many, if you tell them about it, what's the response? No one cares really</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center">Because when people want a "free market" to get whatever product they're after at a cheap price/low expense, the ends justify the means...</p><p></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left"><img src="http://griid.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/2429.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: center"><img src="http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2010/07/07/news/economy/farm_worker_jobs/migrant_workers_ji.top.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left">For more info, one can go online and look up an article under the name of the following:</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://www.everydayjustice.net/2009/10/06/a-new-milestone-for-the-ciw/" target="_blank"><span style="color: blue"><u><em><strong>"A New Milestone for the CIW </strong></em></u></span>"( )</a></li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://www.gourmet.com/foodpolitics/2009/03/politics-of-the-plate-tomato-slaves-follow-up" target="_blank"><u><em><strong><span style="color: indigo">"Politics of the Plate: Floridas Slave Trade</span></strong></em></u>" ( ).</a></li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/modern-day-slavery-museum-reveals-cruelty-in-florida-fields/1081253" target="_blank"><u><strong><span style="color: darkgreen">Modern-Day Slavery Museum reveals cruelty in Florida fields</span></strong></u> ( <u><em>// </em></u>)</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/3/seeking_living_wage_and_humane_conditions" target="_blank">Seeking Living Wage and Humane Conditions, Immokalee Workers Bring Fair Food Struggle to Chipotle -Democracy Now</a></li> </ul><p>. <a href="http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/03/state_report_says_michigan_mig.html" target="_blank">After coming back from a Mission trip to Michigan last July</a> a<a href="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:UZNS4HME-sIJ:afop.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/MDCR-Migrant-Report-2010.pdf+Migrant+Farm+Workers:+Michigan+abuse&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgcc1WzDsRVO3rdFB0N_KftY1qNSQBu9Si8D9zfzwnN3iboXkmY1pslg3hD9q4byBU-V6lrnRtrvZVX9PvOL4qyu3GvW8iRvDwSh7eGdOCznOkLHUrdgmSDTj2dbTg08WguS5CB&sig=AHIEtbRfiG4EUS2gFpNmV7aB-lGm2JDi5g" target="_blank">nd working at the migrant farms there...seeing how many are abandoned and people often complaining on "government being too big" don't care about the ways government ALLOWS them to benefit from corrupt markets if they get products they want at any cost.....</a>I'm sorry, but that makes me SICK. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left">In free markets, nothing is ever truly free...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gxg (G²), post: 61676203, member: 238335"] If people were inherently inclined to help others out and good, then unregulated capitalism would not be something to do. However, human nature shows otherwise EVERY time and has done so throughout history. This is why what often has been done in the name of "free market" and sharing has simply been a matter of plutocrats gaining more control over things as time progresses.. And the issue impacts all on a small level since many of the resources we use daily are freely thrown on the backs of others to deal with when it comes to waste-----or when it comes to using resources from other places to make the products we use all the time here in the U.S. ...and not many catch that. The U.S is obligated to stop talking about the ways Americans work hard to better their future and yet we often import much of our waste to other nations as if it's their responsibility to handle our junk....with the benefit of "market demand" being what causes a lot of problems. [CENTER][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1oyFaOpJOo"]Digital Dumping Ground[/URL] [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JZey9GJQP0"]Where does e-waste end up?[/URL] [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfyKn5dRu1k"]Faces of China - Heavy Metal [/URL] [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZTKLFenfSw"]PBS Independent Lens - China Blue 2007 [/URL] e[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUK4cgyqsqo&feature=related"]-waste | A growing environmental and health disaster in Ghana[/URL] [/CENTER] [LEFT]For another practical example, What you speak of is a part of a much larger and global issue going on when it comes to the ways wages are utilized around the world and cheap labor is done without proper compensation.[/LEFT] [LEFT]I worked at Caribou Coffee for some time and got to see that reality first hand. Grew up getting used to the taste of coffee and coming to like it (even though I use alot of sweets in it). However, although I enjoy it and have worked at a Coffee shop (Caribou) for some time, I must say that it is a bit disturbing to see how addictive it can become.[/LEFT] [LEFT]To consider the many ways that something that is a drug has become so accepted made me a bit unsettled. Moreover, it was a bit bothersome seeing the many ways in which coffee has been utilized to do ALOT of damage globally when it comes to many of the dangerous things done in trading/growing it. [/LEFT] [LEFT]There was an excellent book I was able to read years ago entitled "Every Day Justice" that really helped me to see some of the ways coffee can be just as damaging as cocaine.....as [URL="http://books.google.com/books?id=bNRSPzzxBnAC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=Coffee+:+Everyday+Justice&source=bl&ots=P_J0_aNsgY&sig=idfH-aCHryR6vEBty3drSwTxtbY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=T0NFT7WAPcmztwfg34GbAw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Coffee%20%3A%20Everyday%20Justice&f=false"]seen here[/URL].[/LEFT] [CENTER][URL="http://books.google.com/books?id=bNRSPzzxBnAC&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=Coffee+:+Everyday+Justice&source=bl&ots=P_J0_aNsgY&sig=idfH-aCHryR6vEBty3drSwTxtbY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=T0NFT7WAPcmztwfg34GbAw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Coffee%20%3A%20Everyday%20Justice&f=false"][IMG]http://files.myopera.com/Vishnue09/blog/everyday-justice-3628.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/CENTER] [LIST] [*][URL="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=julie%20clawson%3A%20%20coffee&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDAQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fjulieclawson.com%2F2007%2F11%2F15%2Fcoffee-hour-morality%2F&ei=9EZFT7qqK46Itwfj1on2Ag&usg=AFQjCNFRnmfM7G97gfoA9bU4wNz3qsJvVQ"][COLOR=#1122cc][B]Coffee[/B] Hour Morality | onehandclapping[/COLOR][/URL] [/LIST][LEFT]To see how many farmers don't get paid fairly and how many have literally been damaged with the amount of coffee they've been forced to produce was shocking---and yet we in the U.S have no problem drinking our coffee as if it didn't mean anything. [URL="http://www.equalexchange.coop/"]Fair Trade coffee [/URL]is what I'd prefer nowadays that I realize how many aren't really given their due... [/LEFT] [LEFT]As another said best, [URL="http://www.globalexchange.org/fairtrade/campaigns/coffee"]"few Americans realize that agriculture workers in the coffee industry often toil in what can be described as 'sweatshops in the fields.' Many small coffee farmers receive prices for their coffee that are less than the costs of production, forcing them into a cycle of poverty and debt."[/URL]. [/LEFT] [LEFT]Additionally, many coffee farmers have often had to switch from farming coffee beans to the cocoa trade (from which cocaine derives) and have been forced into the drug trade since they were not paid fairly for their work....and anyone familar with the drug trade economy is already aware of how much destruction has arisen from that.[/LEFT] [LEFT]Thankfully, other organizations are seeking to address this...and it's one of the reasons why I was glad for working at Caribou since their [URL="http://www.cariboucoffee.com/page/1/rainforest-alliance.jsp"]"Rainforest Alliance"[/URL] program does alot of work on the matter.[/LEFT] [LEFT]As much as I love a good cup of coffee/brew, I have to to keep in mind how much the drink seems to be serving to do much evil all around the world.[/LEFT] [LEFT]For a good documentary on the matter, one can go online and look up the documentary entitled Black Gold. [/LEFT] [CENTER][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g-bFyw4iY4"]Black Gold-Ethiopian Coffee-PART 1 of 8.wmv [/URL][/CENTER] [LEFT][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuY6KvqEqrc"]Relationship Coffee Fair Trade Case Study - Part 1 of 2[/URL] [/LEFT] [LEFT][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzGs_Z7yF0g&feature=related"]Relationship Coffee Fair Trade Case Study - Part 2 of 2 [/URL][/LEFT] [LEFT]And for further reference:[/LEFT] [LIST] [*][URL="http://www.organicconsumers.org/starbucks/coca.cfm"][COLOR=#1122cc]Coffee Crisis Leads to Drug Crops[/COLOR][/URL] [*][LEFT][URL="http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/colombia/coca-coffee.htm"][B]A Long Way From Coca to Coffee[/B][/URL] [/LEFT] [*][LEFT][URL="http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/drugs/prices.htm"][B]Coca Invades Colombia's Coffee Fields[/B][/URL] [/LEFT] [*][LEFT][URL="http://www.utdallas.edu/~pineres/The%20Illegal%20Drug%20Industry,%20Violence,%20and%20the%20Colombian%20Economy%20%20A%20Department%20Level%20Analysis.pdf"][COLOR=#1122cc]The Illegal Drug Industry, Violence, and the Colombian Economy"[/COLOR][/URL][/LEFT] [*][LEFT][URL="http://www.asij.ac.jp/highschool/academic/ss/mwh10/dave/michelle/readings/columbian_exchange.htm"][COLOR=#1122cc]The Columbian Exchange and Drugs Trade - The American School [B]...[/B][/COLOR][/URL][/LEFT] [/LIST][LEFT]For another example, in reading the book "Everyday Justice", I was surprised to see the demands we often put on produce/veggies creates conditions even in the U.S akin to what one would expect in the days of SLAVERY/plantations. In 2010, I went with my best bud to Florida..and its still shocking to consider how many tomato farms limit others to slave-like conditions, with no fair wages and inhumane treatement of workers when it comes to chemicals they have to work with without protection to produce the tomatoes we enjoy. The US government has repeatedly uncovered slavery rings among farms in Florida, and in 2008, five farm owners were prosecuted for beating tomato harvesters ...with many cases of sexual harrassment on the women, who were migrant workers and forced into silence.[/LEFT] [CENTER]Taco Bell, which is one of the leading industries demanding tomatoes, was implicated in many cases for their working with these same farms---knowingly allowing it to continue as long as they got their produce on time. It was exposed recently..and only of late have they begun to try addressing the problem. But for many, if you tell them about it, what's the response? No one cares really[/CENTER] [CENTER]Because when people want a "free market" to get whatever product they're after at a cheap price/low expense, the ends justify the means...[/CENTER] [LEFT][IMG]http://griid.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/2429.jpg[/IMG][/LEFT] [CENTER][IMG]http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2010/07/07/news/economy/farm_worker_jobs/migrant_workers_ji.top.jpg[/IMG][/CENTER] [LEFT]For more info, one can go online and look up an article under the name of the following:[/LEFT] [LIST] [*][URL="http://www.everydayjustice.net/2009/10/06/a-new-milestone-for-the-ciw/"][COLOR=blue][U][I][B]"A New Milestone for the CIW [/B][/I][/U][/COLOR]"( )[/URL] [/LIST] [LIST] [*][URL="http://www.gourmet.com/foodpolitics/2009/03/politics-of-the-plate-tomato-slaves-follow-up"][U][I][B][COLOR=indigo]"Politics of the Plate: Floridas Slave Trade[/COLOR][/B][/I][/U]" ( ).[/URL] [/LIST] [LIST] [*][URL="http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/modern-day-slavery-museum-reveals-cruelty-in-florida-fields/1081253"][U][B][COLOR=darkgreen]Modern-Day Slavery Museum reveals cruelty in Florida fields[/COLOR][/B][/U] ( [U][I]// [/I][/U])[/URL] [*][URL="http://www.democracynow.org/2012/10/3/seeking_living_wage_and_humane_conditions"]Seeking Living Wage and Humane Conditions, Immokalee Workers Bring Fair Food Struggle to Chipotle -Democracy Now[/URL] [/LIST]. [URL="http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/03/state_report_says_michigan_mig.html"]After coming back from a Mission trip to Michigan last July[/URL] a[URL="https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:UZNS4HME-sIJ:afop.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/MDCR-Migrant-Report-2010.pdf+Migrant+Farm+Workers:+Michigan+abuse&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgcc1WzDsRVO3rdFB0N_KftY1qNSQBu9Si8D9zfzwnN3iboXkmY1pslg3hD9q4byBU-V6lrnRtrvZVX9PvOL4qyu3GvW8iRvDwSh7eGdOCznOkLHUrdgmSDTj2dbTg08WguS5CB&sig=AHIEtbRfiG4EUS2gFpNmV7aB-lGm2JDi5g"]nd working at the migrant farms there...seeing how many are abandoned and people often complaining on "government being too big" don't care about the ways government ALLOWS them to benefit from corrupt markets if they get products they want at any cost.....[/URL]I'm sorry, but that makes me SICK. [LEFT]In free markets, nothing is ever truly free...[/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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