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Why are Christians so often politically conservative?
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<blockquote data-quote="Sketcher" data-source="post: 60064684" data-attributes="member: 27106"><p>Inequality of assets is not a problem. It simply isn't. What matters is whether people have the ability to obtain what they need as quickly as possible. Capitalism has done a better job of it than anything else that has been tried. It isn't perfect, no earthly solution will be. It's simply the best that we've discovered so far. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, no. It doesn't take upward mobility into account. Also, if the government stopped artificially inflating the currency, the lower and middle class would be much better off. The answer IMO, is a freer market, not a more restricted one. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You can't really compare a sin industry like inappropriate contentography to any economic system as a whole. The inappropriate content industry WILL chew up and then spit out both the consumers and the producers. I don't know if you're familiar with <a href="http://thepinkcross.org/" target="_blank">The Pink Cross</a>, but the testimonies of those adult industry veterans literally turned my stomach. There is simply no comparing that to a network of business transactions.</p><p></p><p></p><p>For one, capitalism doesn't interfere with it. It just lets the Christian doctor and the Christian grocer and the Christian carpenter and the Christian plumber have more excess to donate. The system in Acts 2 was built on deep relational love which was built up by the Spirit in that church. When somebody had excess and there was a need, he donated out of the generosity of his heart. However, you can't really rely on that. I witnessed first hand the inefficiencies at Jesus People USA when I visited them. While it has done much better than secular communes in that it actually survived up to this point, people are still held hostage to receiving their provisions by the people who have the pooled resources. If you're fixing up an apartment and you run out of paint, you have to try and reach somebody by phone to get more paint, even if you've got another 6 good working hours left in the day. If instead these people actually had their own resources, somebody could just drive to the hardware store and pick up more paint. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, aside from every reference in the Bible I've read that has to do with an inheritance treats it as a positive thing, there is a difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. I don't know your friend, but he has choices and in spite of the connections your dad has that his dad doesn't, he can still do pretty well for himself. But if you still feel bad about receiving all those handouts from Dad (which I didn't get, either btw), you can always voluntarily give the difference between your income and your friend's to your friend.</p><p></p><p></p><p>A few things: </p><p></p><p>Capitalism is founded upon observations of what works and what doesn't. It banks on selfishness, and turns this lemon into lemonade, but it doesn't force us into the sin of greed. </p><p></p><p>Government is necessary in its capacities, but it can easily said to be founded on robbery and murder. I'm an Adam Smith capitalist myself, so I believe government is needed for just a few things. But governments have more power over a person than private businesses do, and the people in government are no better. Since the human tendency is the tendency towards sin, the more power a government has, the greater the likelihood of abuses by that government.</p><p></p><p>Finally, free markets work while more statist systems at best limit and at worst crush people's prosperity and productivity (China is learning this <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />). This is whether the person is rich or poor. I want more crops to be produced, not less. I want people to have the money and the flexibility to go to the store and get what they want, rather than forcing them to wait in a bread line. Hence, I will vote for freer markets, not more restrictive markets. There is nothing un-Christian about that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sketcher, post: 60064684, member: 27106"] Inequality of assets is not a problem. It simply isn't. What matters is whether people have the ability to obtain what they need as quickly as possible. Capitalism has done a better job of it than anything else that has been tried. It isn't perfect, no earthly solution will be. It's simply the best that we've discovered so far. Actually, no. It doesn't take upward mobility into account. Also, if the government stopped artificially inflating the currency, the lower and middle class would be much better off. The answer IMO, is a freer market, not a more restricted one. You can't really compare a sin industry like inappropriate contentography to any economic system as a whole. The inappropriate content industry WILL chew up and then spit out both the consumers and the producers. I don't know if you're familiar with [URL="http://thepinkcross.org/"]The Pink Cross[/URL], but the testimonies of those adult industry veterans literally turned my stomach. There is simply no comparing that to a network of business transactions. For one, capitalism doesn't interfere with it. It just lets the Christian doctor and the Christian grocer and the Christian carpenter and the Christian plumber have more excess to donate. The system in Acts 2 was built on deep relational love which was built up by the Spirit in that church. When somebody had excess and there was a need, he donated out of the generosity of his heart. However, you can't really rely on that. I witnessed first hand the inefficiencies at Jesus People USA when I visited them. While it has done much better than secular communes in that it actually survived up to this point, people are still held hostage to receiving their provisions by the people who have the pooled resources. If you're fixing up an apartment and you run out of paint, you have to try and reach somebody by phone to get more paint, even if you've got another 6 good working hours left in the day. If instead these people actually had their own resources, somebody could just drive to the hardware store and pick up more paint. Well, aside from every reference in the Bible I've read that has to do with an inheritance treats it as a positive thing, there is a difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. I don't know your friend, but he has choices and in spite of the connections your dad has that his dad doesn't, he can still do pretty well for himself. But if you still feel bad about receiving all those handouts from Dad (which I didn't get, either btw), you can always voluntarily give the difference between your income and your friend's to your friend. A few things: Capitalism is founded upon observations of what works and what doesn't. It banks on selfishness, and turns this lemon into lemonade, but it doesn't force us into the sin of greed. Government is necessary in its capacities, but it can easily said to be founded on robbery and murder. I'm an Adam Smith capitalist myself, so I believe government is needed for just a few things. But governments have more power over a person than private businesses do, and the people in government are no better. Since the human tendency is the tendency towards sin, the more power a government has, the greater the likelihood of abuses by that government. Finally, free markets work while more statist systems at best limit and at worst crush people's prosperity and productivity (China is learning this ;)). This is whether the person is rich or poor. I want more crops to be produced, not less. I want people to have the money and the flexibility to go to the store and get what they want, rather than forcing them to wait in a bread line. Hence, I will vote for freer markets, not more restrictive markets. There is nothing un-Christian about that. [/QUOTE]
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