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Why Abortion should never be Outlawed!! (an honest, personal eperience) TRUTH!!!!
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<blockquote data-quote="FaithLikeARock" data-source="post: 58445853" data-attributes="member: 206083"><p>From the statistics that he quoted. Read back.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>You call it excuses - and how many of those starving mothers have you offered thousands of dollars to pay for her pregnancy and birth costs after which you adopted her child?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Doesn't surprise me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, I said that.</p></blockquote><p>Less than 1% of ALL ABORTIONS are done to save the mothers life.[/quote]</p><p></p><p>It's not less than 1% though it is low.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Some pro-lifers would disagree, but that isn't what I was talking about and I never said the statistic was higher. Sounds to me like you're preaching to make yourself feel better and ignoring my major point.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fun fact: most Christians are pro-life, meaning at least some of those Christian women getting an abortion are pro-life. You're preaching to the choir - I already knew that Christians were enormous hypocrites who bend the rules to get their way. It wasn't what I was talking about at all. </p><p></p><p>Also, the reason women get multiple abortions is unwanted pregnancy is directly linked to a lack of education about birth control, and a lack of education is typically linked to a higher likelihood to have sex more often with multiple people.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>I really LOVE that excuse. "No they should take responsibility for their actions!" Yes, at the expense of the child. The child YOU insist you want to protect, and yet have no problem with it going to an underfunded, abusive or non-existent home. It's hypocrisy at best and it proves that pro-lifers don't care about the child or the situation. They care about their misguided sense of morality, and forcing others to do what they say. </p><p></p><p>You want to make children suffer their entire lives, and more than likely doom them to a life on the streets without a family and then you try to brush it off by going "Well it's not MY responsibility". Every abortion you PREVENT with you self-righteous nonsense makes it your responsibility. Every woman you force to have a baby she can't afford makes that baby the responsibility of the pro-life movement. </p><p></p><p>I take responsibility for the women who have no excuse to have an abortion (except for shallow, meaningless "because I don't want too" excuses) and I will tell any woman who gives me that reason that she is despicable. But the pro-life movement doesn't want to take responsibility for their half.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Because you're the one pushing for laws that force that child to be born without a home. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Bringing a child into a home where they're unloved and uncared for is the right thing? In what scenario?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I'm saying that forcing mothers who can't afford a child, or who are in an abusive situation, or who don't have the emotional or mental readiness to raise a child, is morally irresponsible and that makes it YOUR responsibility. You're complaining that you're poor and raising two kids. Two kids you CHOSE to have instead of adopting. </p><p></p><p>Pro-lifers aren't concerned with actual life or they would adopt. And I mean adopt more than just the newborn perfect babies. I mean the kids who really need it. You are just as pro-choice as the women you condemn because you CHOSE to have kids instead of adopt, you CHOSE to ignore the thousands of kids in foster care who don't have a family, because you wanted to have your own little carbon copy.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Neither do pro-choicers because that's not the procedure.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because it's untrue.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, you want to save hundreds of fetuses - once they pop out you've proven that you don't care in the least because it's "not your responsibility".</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Obviously not, or you wouldn't be letting kids waste away in the adoption system.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If done legally yes. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What are you talking about? Animal euthenization is still alive and well. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's a myth? You're trying to say it never happened? Just because doctors still did most procedures doesn't mean it never happened and doesn't mean those doctors DOING it were still unsafe and unlicensed.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>How on earth do you get statistics on something like that? It's like trying to measure the amount of illegal drugs in the country - you can give it a rough stab but you'll never get very close because you can't keep an official record of something being done illegally.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, but that's another argument. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I'm saying it's necessary until human being stop being selfish and reaching out a hand to these families that need it. You know for someone who whines about how I'm not getting it, you sure will take my words out of context in a heart beat.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's no MIGHT about it. If a mother is willing to abort her baby, then clearly that home isn't right for them. And since people like YOU aren't willing to adopt, and foster care isn't exactly known for being nurturing, then there is no might. It's practically a guarantee.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh yes, Leverticus 16:146 - "Thou shalt not abort because I say so". I know this is hard for you to believe, but no everyone is Christian.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm 20 - state won't even let me adopt especially with my income and when I do have the income to adopt they'll probably still turn my away because of my sexuality. The fact that I already have many years of experience with children, including children with developmental disabilities, is completely ignored because I have a girlfriend. But let me guess - you agree with that too?</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm not Christian, so why would I care?</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="FaithLikeARock, post: 58445853, member: 206083"] From the statistics that he quoted. Read back. You call it excuses - and how many of those starving mothers have you offered thousands of dollars to pay for her pregnancy and birth costs after which you adopted her child? Doesn't surprise me. Yeah, I said that. [/quote]Less than 1% of ALL ABORTIONS are done to save the mothers life.[/quote] It's not less than 1% though it is low. Some pro-lifers would disagree, but that isn't what I was talking about and I never said the statistic was higher. Sounds to me like you're preaching to make yourself feel better and ignoring my major point. Fun fact: most Christians are pro-life, meaning at least some of those Christian women getting an abortion are pro-life. You're preaching to the choir - I already knew that Christians were enormous hypocrites who bend the rules to get their way. It wasn't what I was talking about at all. Also, the reason women get multiple abortions is unwanted pregnancy is directly linked to a lack of education about birth control, and a lack of education is typically linked to a higher likelihood to have sex more often with multiple people. I really LOVE that excuse. "No they should take responsibility for their actions!" Yes, at the expense of the child. The child YOU insist you want to protect, and yet have no problem with it going to an underfunded, abusive or non-existent home. It's hypocrisy at best and it proves that pro-lifers don't care about the child or the situation. They care about their misguided sense of morality, and forcing others to do what they say. You want to make children suffer their entire lives, and more than likely doom them to a life on the streets without a family and then you try to brush it off by going "Well it's not MY responsibility". Every abortion you PREVENT with you self-righteous nonsense makes it your responsibility. Every woman you force to have a baby she can't afford makes that baby the responsibility of the pro-life movement. I take responsibility for the women who have no excuse to have an abortion (except for shallow, meaningless "because I don't want too" excuses) and I will tell any woman who gives me that reason that she is despicable. But the pro-life movement doesn't want to take responsibility for their half. Because you're the one pushing for laws that force that child to be born without a home. Bringing a child into a home where they're unloved and uncared for is the right thing? In what scenario? No, I'm saying that forcing mothers who can't afford a child, or who are in an abusive situation, or who don't have the emotional or mental readiness to raise a child, is morally irresponsible and that makes it YOUR responsibility. You're complaining that you're poor and raising two kids. Two kids you CHOSE to have instead of adopting. Pro-lifers aren't concerned with actual life or they would adopt. And I mean adopt more than just the newborn perfect babies. I mean the kids who really need it. You are just as pro-choice as the women you condemn because you CHOSE to have kids instead of adopt, you CHOSE to ignore the thousands of kids in foster care who don't have a family, because you wanted to have your own little carbon copy. Neither do pro-choicers because that's not the procedure. Because it's untrue. No, you want to save hundreds of fetuses - once they pop out you've proven that you don't care in the least because it's "not your responsibility". Obviously not, or you wouldn't be letting kids waste away in the adoption system. If done legally yes. What are you talking about? Animal euthenization is still alive and well. It's a myth? You're trying to say it never happened? Just because doctors still did most procedures doesn't mean it never happened and doesn't mean those doctors DOING it were still unsafe and unlicensed. How on earth do you get statistics on something like that? It's like trying to measure the amount of illegal drugs in the country - you can give it a rough stab but you'll never get very close because you can't keep an official record of something being done illegally. Yes, but that's another argument. No, I'm saying it's necessary until human being stop being selfish and reaching out a hand to these families that need it. You know for someone who whines about how I'm not getting it, you sure will take my words out of context in a heart beat. There's no MIGHT about it. If a mother is willing to abort her baby, then clearly that home isn't right for them. And since people like YOU aren't willing to adopt, and foster care isn't exactly known for being nurturing, then there is no might. It's practically a guarantee. Oh yes, Leverticus 16:146 - "Thou shalt not abort because I say so". I know this is hard for you to believe, but no everyone is Christian. I'm 20 - state won't even let me adopt especially with my income and when I do have the income to adopt they'll probably still turn my away because of my sexuality. The fact that I already have many years of experience with children, including children with developmental disabilities, is completely ignored because I have a girlfriend. But let me guess - you agree with that too? I'm not Christian, so why would I care? [/QUOTE]
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