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<blockquote data-quote="stiggywiggy" data-source="post: 59828328" data-attributes="member: 74608"><p>Originally Posted by <strong>stiggywiggy</strong> <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/t7632792-7/#post59818778" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.christianforums.com/style/buttons/viewpost.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a><p style="margin-left: 20px"> Yeah, I know. That's a given in my post, because the founding fathers never having enumerated which rights were unalienable, I was pondering why people are now claiming that the right to free birth control is somehow unalienable. Nobody so far can tell me.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>And yet they are. Over and over and over again.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You mean sourcES! . I already did that below. (see Matthews, Schulz, etc. comment. You are an impatient reader.)<p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: OK. So here's what we now have:</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">(1). Unalienable rights include stuff like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Bad example, particularly since those in favor of the death penalty (and I am not one) favor it because the convicted one took away ANOTHER's unalienable right, i.e. life.<p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier:</em> (2). We cannot know for sure whether the founding fathers considered free birth control a right, since we know from the words "among these," that it is not an exhaustive list.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>"So far as [YOU] can tell." Got it. Of course, I never claimed that all those claiming a right to birth control ever used the words inalienable or unalienable. I guess you forgot that in my original post I asked if these people considered this alleged right inalienable.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And yet I did. Dang, man. If you're that impatient, at LEAST go back and delete these comments AFTER you realize they are wrong. Otherwise, you're wasting both of our times.</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>stiggy earlier</em>: (3). SO WHY DO PEOPLE CLAIM FREE BIRTH CONTROL AS A RIGHT?</p><p></p><p>Been there. Done that. No answer so far. That's why I brought the question here.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Then I guess the original post was not directed toward you.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Except the multitudes who are claiming just that. Your "as far as I know" is the crux of the problem here. I'm thinking that knowledge doesn't extend too far, at least with this subject.<p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: That doesn't help at all. Since there is currently no law in the books requiring people be given free health care, this question remains: </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>SO WHY DO PEOPLE CLAIM FREE BIRTH CONTROL AS A RIGHT?</strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Too late. I've done it several times. I usually get either blank stares or lectures about how uncompassionate I must be. </p><p></p><p></p><p> Amazing. You asked that same question in your last reply. I answered thoroughly in my reply to your reply. Yet you keep asking. Why?</p><p></p><p></p><p><em>stiggy earlier</em>: So many pundits from both the left and the right, that I've lost count. </p><p> Oh, just ONE? I see. Maybe you didn't like the numerous examples I gave, because you only wanted one???? Does Chris Matthews not count? OK. Just one: CHRIS MATTHEWS. But then I already provided that in my previous reply.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Quotes? First you ask for sources, so I provide them. Now you want quotes within the sites? You can't read them for yourself? I need to read aloud to you from the sites I provide? No thanks.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep. Piece of cake. Sources abound! Want more?<p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlie</em>r: Now if your only answer is that you are unaware that people are doing that, never mind. We just travel in different circles.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Oh, so you noticed that I gave MANY sources instead of one?? Oh, wait. Sources will no longer do. Now that I provided them, you want quotes within the sources? Look for yourself. And if you decide not to, I don't really care. Setting you straight is not on my list of priorities either.<p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: Fantasy? If you think it's fantasy that politicians, pundits and political analysts of all persuasions are NOT claiming free birth control as a right, you're the guy in never-never land.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>You mean other than all the ones I provided? Is Ed Schulz uncitable? I'll bet you could kick yourself now for neglecting to delete these comments after you discovered how wrong you are at the end of my last reply. It kind of makes you look silly in retrospect. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly, meaning there is no law on the books codifying this alleged right. That's why I asked why people are claiming this right exists. I guess you didn't pick up on that either.<p style="margin-left: 20px"> stiggy earlier: Nah. I KNOW what I've heard scores and scores of people say, and I do not carry a tape recorder with me. Nor do I DVR every TV political analyst.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Yep. That's why I used the internet to provide the sources. Didn't pick up on that either, I guess.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep. Piece of cake.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, yeah. except that would be past tense.<p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: The people who are saying that it's a right. Are you sure you read the original post in this thread?</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Huh? I TOLD you what I heard. You want me to quote friends of mine? OK: Steve Adams: "I believe people have a right to free birth control." (or words to that effect; as I said, I don't carry a tape recorder around with me.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Nah. My vision sucks, but I have excellent hearing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>EXACTLY! So my question remains. Why do these people keep claiming it's a right.<p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>:You gotta be kidding. Maybe I'll do that in a separate reply. But I'm afraid I won't know when to stop.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>So you're saying "how about" I do what I've already done????? Weird. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Too late. I did not stop at one.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. Any time now.<p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: Sources abound.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>What's odd is that you forgot to delete all these erroneous claims that I didn't do the very thing you ultimately found out I did.<p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>:No, I've got a better idea. Ask me again. Ask me like you really don't believe I can give you sources.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>So you don't believe it was I who provided all those names? No, it was me. I don't have a "Christian Forums" assistant.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yep. It's a good tactic. Guy asks for sources and names, and I provide them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, but I took the time. </p><p></p><p>I doubt you're capable of backing a tricycle into a corner.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Start talking.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Too late. I already did.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> No longer an option for you, unless you figure I "made up" the names Chris Matthews, Planned Parenthood and Ed Schulz. More likely, you just didn't read what I typed.</p></blockquote> <p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: It will make it that much more pleasurable for me when I bombard you with them. I'll have more time tomorrow.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>It <em>was </em>cool!</p><p> You forgot to assign something to your variable X. Let me help you out: X = Free birth control laws. If there is no X, that alleged right is not codified, and therefore according to you, NOT a right.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, I used that very "material" on you. So it looks like you need some new material about getting new material. <p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: How many you want? Please make it a finite number.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Too late. I exceeded that number in my last reply.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>stiggy earlier: Not really, but I probably will in another post. It'll be the easiest task I've had in a long time. </p><p> Yeah, why haven't I done that which I did, you ask.<p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: So what "way" did the right to free birth control "come to us?" Oh, that's right. You've never heard anyone claim that right exists.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Well, you have now.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Where? You want to know my locale when I heard people say what I heard them say? How will that help?</p><p></p><p></p><p>No. I was wide awake when I googled the names you requested. Although I will admit was so easy, I probably <em>could</em> have done it in my sleep.<p style="margin-left: 20px"> <em>stiggy earlier</em>: Thus in spite of your erroneous "nope" above, it looks like we really do both agree that all these lefties who claimed a right to birth control BEFORE the law even states it,</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Nope??? So you don't even agree with your own previous contention that rights exist because they are codified? Weird.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Who said otherwise? That fact obviously does not aid in determining why people who don't live in those states NEVERTHELESS claim it is a right. </p><p></p><p></p><p><em>stiggy earlier</em>:</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="stiggywiggy, post: 59828328, member: 74608"] Originally Posted by [B]stiggywiggy[/B] [URL="http://www.christianforums.com/t7632792-7/#post59818778"][IMG]http://www.christianforums.com/style/buttons/viewpost.gif[/IMG][/URL][INDENT] Yeah, I know. That's a given in my post, because the founding fathers never having enumerated which rights were unalienable, I was pondering why people are now claiming that the right to free birth control is somehow unalienable. Nobody so far can tell me. [/INDENT]And yet they are. Over and over and over again. You mean sourcES! . I already did that below. (see Matthews, Schulz, etc. comment. You are an impatient reader.)[INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: OK. So here's what we now have: (1). Unalienable rights include stuff like life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. [/INDENT]Bad example, particularly since those in favor of the death penalty (and I am not one) favor it because the convicted one took away ANOTHER's unalienable right, i.e. life.[INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier:[/I] (2). We cannot know for sure whether the founding fathers considered free birth control a right, since we know from the words "among these," that it is not an exhaustive list. [/INDENT]"So far as [YOU] can tell." Got it. Of course, I never claimed that all those claiming a right to birth control ever used the words inalienable or unalienable. I guess you forgot that in my original post I asked if these people considered this alleged right inalienable. And yet I did. Dang, man. If you're that impatient, at LEAST go back and delete these comments AFTER you realize they are wrong. Otherwise, you're wasting both of our times. [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: (3). SO WHY DO PEOPLE CLAIM FREE BIRTH CONTROL AS A RIGHT? Been there. Done that. No answer so far. That's why I brought the question here. Then I guess the original post was not directed toward you. Except the multitudes who are claiming just that. Your "as far as I know" is the crux of the problem here. I'm thinking that knowledge doesn't extend too far, at least with this subject.[INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: That doesn't help at all. Since there is currently no law in the books requiring people be given free health care, this question remains: [B]SO WHY DO PEOPLE CLAIM FREE BIRTH CONTROL AS A RIGHT?[/B] [/INDENT]Too late. I've done it several times. I usually get either blank stares or lectures about how uncompassionate I must be. Amazing. You asked that same question in your last reply. I answered thoroughly in my reply to your reply. Yet you keep asking. Why? [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: So many pundits from both the left and the right, that I've lost count. Oh, just ONE? I see. Maybe you didn't like the numerous examples I gave, because you only wanted one???? Does Chris Matthews not count? OK. Just one: CHRIS MATTHEWS. But then I already provided that in my previous reply. Quotes? First you ask for sources, so I provide them. Now you want quotes within the sites? You can't read them for yourself? I need to read aloud to you from the sites I provide? No thanks. Yep. Piece of cake. Sources abound! Want more?[INDENT] [I]stiggy earlie[/I]r: Now if your only answer is that you are unaware that people are doing that, never mind. We just travel in different circles. [/INDENT]Oh, so you noticed that I gave MANY sources instead of one?? Oh, wait. Sources will no longer do. Now that I provided them, you want quotes within the sources? Look for yourself. And if you decide not to, I don't really care. Setting you straight is not on my list of priorities either.[INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: Fantasy? If you think it's fantasy that politicians, pundits and political analysts of all persuasions are NOT claiming free birth control as a right, you're the guy in never-never land. [/INDENT]You mean other than all the ones I provided? Is Ed Schulz uncitable? I'll bet you could kick yourself now for neglecting to delete these comments after you discovered how wrong you are at the end of my last reply. It kind of makes you look silly in retrospect. Exactly, meaning there is no law on the books codifying this alleged right. That's why I asked why people are claiming this right exists. I guess you didn't pick up on that either.[INDENT] stiggy earlier: Nah. I KNOW what I've heard scores and scores of people say, and I do not carry a tape recorder with me. Nor do I DVR every TV political analyst. [/INDENT]Yep. That's why I used the internet to provide the sources. Didn't pick up on that either, I guess. Yep. Piece of cake. Well, yeah. except that would be past tense.[INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: The people who are saying that it's a right. Are you sure you read the original post in this thread? [/INDENT]Huh? I TOLD you what I heard. You want me to quote friends of mine? OK: Steve Adams: "I believe people have a right to free birth control." (or words to that effect; as I said, I don't carry a tape recorder around with me.) Nah. My vision sucks, but I have excellent hearing. EXACTLY! So my question remains. Why do these people keep claiming it's a right.[INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]:You gotta be kidding. Maybe I'll do that in a separate reply. But I'm afraid I won't know when to stop. [/INDENT]So you're saying "how about" I do what I've already done????? Weird. Too late. I did not stop at one. Sure. Any time now.[INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: Sources abound. [/INDENT]What's odd is that you forgot to delete all these erroneous claims that I didn't do the very thing you ultimately found out I did.[INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]:No, I've got a better idea. Ask me again. Ask me like you really don't believe I can give you sources. [/INDENT]So you don't believe it was I who provided all those names? No, it was me. I don't have a "Christian Forums" assistant. Yep. It's a good tactic. Guy asks for sources and names, and I provide them. Yeah, but I took the time. I doubt you're capable of backing a tricycle into a corner. Start talking. Too late. I already did. No longer an option for you, unless you figure I "made up" the names Chris Matthews, Planned Parenthood and Ed Schulz. More likely, you just didn't read what I typed.[/quote][INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: It will make it that much more pleasurable for me when I bombard you with them. I'll have more time tomorrow. [/INDENT]It [I]was [/I]cool! You forgot to assign something to your variable X. Let me help you out: X = Free birth control laws. If there is no X, that alleged right is not codified, and therefore according to you, NOT a right. Yeah, I used that very "material" on you. So it looks like you need some new material about getting new material. [INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: How many you want? Please make it a finite number. [/INDENT]Too late. I exceeded that number in my last reply. stiggy earlier: Not really, but I probably will in another post. It'll be the easiest task I've had in a long time. Yeah, why haven't I done that which I did, you ask.[INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: So what "way" did the right to free birth control "come to us?" Oh, that's right. You've never heard anyone claim that right exists. [/INDENT]Well, you have now. Where? You want to know my locale when I heard people say what I heard them say? How will that help? No. I was wide awake when I googled the names you requested. Although I will admit was so easy, I probably [I]could[/I] have done it in my sleep.[INDENT] [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: Thus in spite of your erroneous "nope" above, it looks like we really do both agree that all these lefties who claimed a right to birth control BEFORE the law even states it, [/INDENT]Nope??? So you don't even agree with your own previous contention that rights exist because they are codified? Weird. Who said otherwise? That fact obviously does not aid in determining why people who don't live in those states NEVERTHELESS claim it is a right. [I]stiggy earlier[/I]: [/QUOTE]
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