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<blockquote data-quote="RocksInMyHead" data-source="post: 77576856" data-attributes="member: 284142"><p>What do demographics have to do with a country's right to self-determination?</p><p></p><p>That almost certainly contributed, but again, Russia does not get to dictate other countries' policies or invade them when they do something that Russia doesn't like. And I'll point out that nearly 80% of Georgians supported joining NATO in early 2008, so you can't even make the argument that there wasn't popular support for the idea. I firmly believe that NATO's lack of response to the invasion of Georgia is why Putin though he could do the same to Ukraine.</p><p></p><p>For example, I showed you a map of Russia's Black Sea ports after you claimed that Russia took Crimea in order to secure its trade in the Black Sea. I also provided concrete reasons why Ukraine rejected the Istanbul peace agreement that had nothing to do with Western pressure when you posted an article that claimed the US and UK were responsible for the collapse of that deal. These are factual things - places on a map, terms demanded by Russia, the Bucha massacre.</p><p></p><p>Anyone can fall prey to confirmation bias. If you feel that I am not adequately supporting my claims or that I'm wrong about something, you should absolutely call me out on it. But be prepared to provide evidence for <em>why</em> I'm wrong.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RocksInMyHead, post: 77576856, member: 284142"] What do demographics have to do with a country's right to self-determination? That almost certainly contributed, but again, Russia does not get to dictate other countries' policies or invade them when they do something that Russia doesn't like. And I'll point out that nearly 80% of Georgians supported joining NATO in early 2008, so you can't even make the argument that there wasn't popular support for the idea. I firmly believe that NATO's lack of response to the invasion of Georgia is why Putin though he could do the same to Ukraine. For example, I showed you a map of Russia's Black Sea ports after you claimed that Russia took Crimea in order to secure its trade in the Black Sea. I also provided concrete reasons why Ukraine rejected the Istanbul peace agreement that had nothing to do with Western pressure when you posted an article that claimed the US and UK were responsible for the collapse of that deal. These are factual things - places on a map, terms demanded by Russia, the Bucha massacre. Anyone can fall prey to confirmation bias. If you feel that I am not adequately supporting my claims or that I'm wrong about something, you should absolutely call me out on it. But be prepared to provide evidence for [I]why[/I] I'm wrong. [/QUOTE]
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