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Three Men Charged with Plotting Attack on Somali Immigrants in Kansas
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<blockquote data-quote="ThatRobGuy" data-source="post: 70303483" data-attributes="member: 123415"><p>Like I noted (and perhaps it's my fault for not being more specific...my apologies if that's the case), it's important to comparing similar things because not all extremism is the same in the eyes of the public.</p><p></p><p>For example, a bunch of Neo-Nazis spray painting Anti-Jewish hate symbols and rhetoric on a Jewish temple isn't going to have the same psychological impact on the general public as a Dylan Roof or Omar Mateen. So counting them all as the same thing when building the tally of "X number of terror acts committed by group Z" in terms of public perception isn't granular or specific enough to be helpful.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Likelihood has to be balanced by which types of extremism people are more afraid of.</p><p></p><p>For example, there are a lot of instances of anti-abortion attacks, but most don't involve any human casualties. People are still fearful of that and have a negative view of that sort of behavior, but not as negative as something like a bomb going off at a marathon injuring ~200 random people.</p><p></p><p>Or perhaps a better example would be an extremist group that has a high rate of assault. a 1:100,000 risk of getting assaulted doesn't scare people as much as a 1:1,000,000 risk of getting killed.</p><p></p><p>It's also worth pointing out that large scale attacks scare people more than spread out incidents of smaller attacks.</p><p></p><p>For example, if a group/person kills 1 person per year for 20 years, that doesn't seem to scare people as much as a group/person that kills 20 people at once. (even though the loss of life is the same).</p><p></p><p>People just react more harshly to "mass" incidents. ...and it's not just targeted at Muslim extremists...there was quite an outcry and backlash over the Dylan Roof church shooting. Immediately following that event, there was a huge public shift in terms of attitudes toward the confederate flag being flown (that hadn't been there prior).</p><p></p><p>And of course, we can't ignore the international aspect of this whole thing either. If there's an indirectly affiliated group somewhere else in the world causing mass havoc, that always causes a certain measure of blow back as well (not saying it's warranted or justified, just merely pointing out a fact).</p><p></p><p>For example, if there was a Catholic extremist group that started operating in Italy and racking up a substantial body count (and using particular Catholic doctrine to support their actions)...to the point where Italians started leaving the country and seeking refuge in other places, you can believe that Catholics all over the world would start to be looked at with more scrutiny and if there was a measure calling for allowing in tens of thousands of Catholics into the US who wanted to flee from Italy, there would be a sizable portion of the population would want to put the brakes on that and say "that seems risky, we might not know which side they're really on"</p><p></p><p>--again, not saying that's right, but that is the way some people would feel about it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I must be missing where I typed that lol</p><p></p><p>Here was the list I posted (in the post I was referring to)</p><p><em>Anti-abortion terrorism</em></p><p><em>Anti-government terrorism</em></p><p><em>Anti-Semitic terrorism</em></p><p><em>Anti-Islamic terrorism</em></p><p><em>Anti-Gay terrorism</em></p><p><em>Racial Terrorism</em></p><p><em>Eco-Terrorism</em></p><p><em>Christian Terrorism</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p>Like I mentioned before, i'm not sure where they got those numbers from.</p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks</a></p><p>If you look at the numbers for the United States on here (for 2002-present), it's coming up with a total that's larger than 26, even if we leave out the Orlando shootings...and of course that's just deaths...in terms of injuries, the number is huge (mainly due to the high number of injuries from the Boston bombings)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThatRobGuy, post: 70303483, member: 123415"] Like I noted (and perhaps it's my fault for not being more specific...my apologies if that's the case), it's important to comparing similar things because not all extremism is the same in the eyes of the public. For example, a bunch of Neo-Nazis spray painting Anti-Jewish hate symbols and rhetoric on a Jewish temple isn't going to have the same psychological impact on the general public as a Dylan Roof or Omar Mateen. So counting them all as the same thing when building the tally of "X number of terror acts committed by group Z" in terms of public perception isn't granular or specific enough to be helpful. Likelihood has to be balanced by which types of extremism people are more afraid of. For example, there are a lot of instances of anti-abortion attacks, but most don't involve any human casualties. People are still fearful of that and have a negative view of that sort of behavior, but not as negative as something like a bomb going off at a marathon injuring ~200 random people. Or perhaps a better example would be an extremist group that has a high rate of assault. a 1:100,000 risk of getting assaulted doesn't scare people as much as a 1:1,000,000 risk of getting killed. It's also worth pointing out that large scale attacks scare people more than spread out incidents of smaller attacks. For example, if a group/person kills 1 person per year for 20 years, that doesn't seem to scare people as much as a group/person that kills 20 people at once. (even though the loss of life is the same). People just react more harshly to "mass" incidents. ...and it's not just targeted at Muslim extremists...there was quite an outcry and backlash over the Dylan Roof church shooting. Immediately following that event, there was a huge public shift in terms of attitudes toward the confederate flag being flown (that hadn't been there prior). And of course, we can't ignore the international aspect of this whole thing either. If there's an indirectly affiliated group somewhere else in the world causing mass havoc, that always causes a certain measure of blow back as well (not saying it's warranted or justified, just merely pointing out a fact). For example, if there was a Catholic extremist group that started operating in Italy and racking up a substantial body count (and using particular Catholic doctrine to support their actions)...to the point where Italians started leaving the country and seeking refuge in other places, you can believe that Catholics all over the world would start to be looked at with more scrutiny and if there was a measure calling for allowing in tens of thousands of Catholics into the US who wanted to flee from Italy, there would be a sizable portion of the population would want to put the brakes on that and say "that seems risky, we might not know which side they're really on" --again, not saying that's right, but that is the way some people would feel about it. I must be missing where I typed that lol Here was the list I posted (in the post I was referring to) [I]Anti-abortion terrorism Anti-government terrorism Anti-Semitic terrorism Anti-Islamic terrorism Anti-Gay terrorism Racial Terrorism Eco-Terrorism Christian Terrorism [/I] Like I mentioned before, i'm not sure where they got those numbers from. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks[/URL] If you look at the numbers for the United States on here (for 2002-present), it's coming up with a total that's larger than 26, even if we leave out the Orlando shootings...and of course that's just deaths...in terms of injuries, the number is huge (mainly due to the high number of injuries from the Boston bombings) [/QUOTE]
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