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<blockquote data-quote="ThatRobGuy" data-source="post: 70302735" data-attributes="member: 123415"><p>The reason why it's important to acknowledge similar things when doing comparison is because in much of the national conversation about this topic, 50% of the population acts as if they "<em>just don't understand why people are more afraid of Muslim extremists than other types of extremists</em>" and then use that line of reasoning to accuse others of Islamophobia.</p><p></p><p>Also, I did list Christian Terrorism on my list of types of home grown terrorism.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What the NY Times is doing with that article is exactly what I was talking about in my previous post, which is failing to make a series of distinctions about the attacks...</p><p></p><p>Such as:</p><p>Violent vs. non-violent</p><p>Lethal vs. non-lethal</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Like I said before, the other groups all combined would make up the other 80%. However, if we omit property damage and non-lethal attacks, those numbers drastically change.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The overland Park Jewish center one done by Miller can certainly be categorized as a White Nationalist violence...however to say the Seattle Jewish Federation shooting was home grown would be a point of debate. Isn't that the case where a Pakistani national shot up the place due to anger about the US's middle east policies?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Based on the FBI definition of "terror attack", yes, you're correct in that, statistically speaking, non-Muslim forms of extremism are more frequent. However, with the broad definition they use, it's not really painting an honest picture of the situation at hand.</p><p></p><p>Let me use this analogy.</p><p></p><p>Let's say you & I were both seedy elements in a neighborhood. Law enforcement is keeping tabs on our activities and using that to assess a threat level...the townspeople are doing that same thing.</p><p></p><p>In the past two years, you vandalize 28 different buildings, you've beaten 3 different people up in bar fights, and you've robbed 9 houses.</p><p></p><p>That's 40 occurrences.</p><p></p><p>In that same time period, the hypothetical me has shot 4 people...that's 4 occurrences.</p><p></p><p>The neighborhood is rightfully going to be more afraid of me than you at that point. Even if the law enforcement agency and local professors say "well, actually your fear is unfounded, you're 10x more likely to be attacked by Belk than Rob" that won't matter one bit. People are just naturally more afraid of certain types of attacks than others.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThatRobGuy, post: 70302735, member: 123415"] The reason why it's important to acknowledge similar things when doing comparison is because in much of the national conversation about this topic, 50% of the population acts as if they "[I]just don't understand why people are more afraid of Muslim extremists than other types of extremists[/I]" and then use that line of reasoning to accuse others of Islamophobia. Also, I did list Christian Terrorism on my list of types of home grown terrorism. What the NY Times is doing with that article is exactly what I was talking about in my previous post, which is failing to make a series of distinctions about the attacks... Such as: Violent vs. non-violent Lethal vs. non-lethal Like I said before, the other groups all combined would make up the other 80%. However, if we omit property damage and non-lethal attacks, those numbers drastically change. The overland Park Jewish center one done by Miller can certainly be categorized as a White Nationalist violence...however to say the Seattle Jewish Federation shooting was home grown would be a point of debate. Isn't that the case where a Pakistani national shot up the place due to anger about the US's middle east policies? Based on the FBI definition of "terror attack", yes, you're correct in that, statistically speaking, non-Muslim forms of extremism are more frequent. However, with the broad definition they use, it's not really painting an honest picture of the situation at hand. Let me use this analogy. Let's say you & I were both seedy elements in a neighborhood. Law enforcement is keeping tabs on our activities and using that to assess a threat level...the townspeople are doing that same thing. In the past two years, you vandalize 28 different buildings, you've beaten 3 different people up in bar fights, and you've robbed 9 houses. That's 40 occurrences. In that same time period, the hypothetical me has shot 4 people...that's 4 occurrences. The neighborhood is rightfully going to be more afraid of me than you at that point. Even if the law enforcement agency and local professors say "well, actually your fear is unfounded, you're 10x more likely to be attacked by Belk than Rob" that won't matter one bit. People are just naturally more afraid of certain types of attacks than others. [/QUOTE]
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