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This guy is a Far-Right Activist, but this other guy is a Fascist (according to this blue checkmark journalist)
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<blockquote data-quote="Pavel Mosko" data-source="post: 77046931" data-attributes="member: 391518"><p>Yep, the red field on the Nazi Swastika flag was intentionally lifted from the Red Hammer and Sickle flag because the Nazis wanted it to have a similar look so that it might appeal to those that were previously sympathetic with the Communists.</p><p></p><p><strong>I think some of the best evidence on this stuff are the actual quotes of Hitler and other Fascists toward the Capitalists and Upper-Class nobility of their day. By in large, they hated and disrespected and only tolerated them as a short term means to an end of Industrializing their society and keeping it's social cohesion. </strong> Such attitudes show they are not right wing at all, the only way you could see them that way is to swallow Trotsky's interpretation of them. And with that logic you got other problems,<u> if countries like Germany under Kaiser Wilhelm tried to save Capitalism and their own position by instituting social programs from the Socialist playbook and avoid a Marxist revolution while doing so and eventually invent Fascism to aid with that enterprise., then what can you make of Communist countries like the Soviet Union that actually fall, or adopt some form of Capitalism like China?</u> That seems to be at least an equal if not a great indictment of the Communist system as being untenable. (China's current system now is more technically Fascist in spite of the control of the Communist party, even though it seems like they are in the process of reverting back to their former ways with the various new reforms going on.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pavel Mosko, post: 77046931, member: 391518"] Yep, the red field on the Nazi Swastika flag was intentionally lifted from the Red Hammer and Sickle flag because the Nazis wanted it to have a similar look so that it might appeal to those that were previously sympathetic with the Communists. [B]I think some of the best evidence on this stuff are the actual quotes of Hitler and other Fascists toward the Capitalists and Upper-Class nobility of their day. By in large, they hated and disrespected and only tolerated them as a short term means to an end of Industrializing their society and keeping it's social cohesion. [/B] Such attitudes show they are not right wing at all, the only way you could see them that way is to swallow Trotsky's interpretation of them. And with that logic you got other problems,[U] if countries like Germany under Kaiser Wilhelm tried to save Capitalism and their own position by instituting social programs from the Socialist playbook and avoid a Marxist revolution while doing so and eventually invent Fascism to aid with that enterprise., then what can you make of Communist countries like the Soviet Union that actually fall, or adopt some form of Capitalism like China?[/U] That seems to be at least an equal if not a great indictment of the Communist system as being untenable. (China's current system now is more technically Fascist in spite of the control of the Communist party, even though it seems like they are in the process of reverting back to their former ways with the various new reforms going on.) [/QUOTE]
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