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The USA has grounded its entire fleet of F-35 fighter jets
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<blockquote data-quote="Biblicist" data-source="post: 68211379" data-attributes="member: 281049"><p>I just came across an interesting article (which might require verification) regarding a supposed recent dogfight between the JSA F-35 and a much older F-16, which is the plane that it is supposed to replace. Apparently the F-16 outclassed the F-35 and if a much older 4th Generation plane can (supposedly) easily destroy an F-35, what hope does it have against a 4+ Gen or more importantly with the more recent 5th Generation aircraft such as the Russian Sukhoi PAK FA?</p><p></p><p>Rebuttals are more than welcome!</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center">[GALLERY=media, 52869]F16-F35 Image by Biblicist2 posted Jun 30, 2015 at 4:05 PM[/GALLERY]</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 22px">"The defeated flier’s five-page report is a damning litany of aerodynamic complaints targeting the cumbersome JSF".</span></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 18px"><span style="font-size: 22px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><a href="https://medium.com/war-is-boring/test-pilot-admits-the-f-35-can-t-dogfight-cdb9d11a875" target="_blank">(Link)</a></span></span></span></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p><p>“Insufficient pitch rate.” “Energy deficit to the bandit would increase over time.” “The flying qualities in the blended region (20–26 degrees AoA) were not intuitive or favorable.”</p><p></p><p>The F-35 jockey tried to target the F-16 with the stealth jet’s 25-millimeter cannon, but the smaller F-16 easily dodged. “Instead of catching the bandit off-guard by rapidly pull aft to achieve lead, the nose rate was slow, allowing him to easily time his jink prior to a gun solution,” the JSF pilot complained.</p><p></p><p>And when the pilot of the F-16 turned the tables on the F-35, maneuvering to put the stealth plane in his own gunsight, the JSF jockey found he couldn’t maneuver out of the way, owing to a “lack of nose rate.”</p><p></p><p>The F-35 pilot came right out and said it — if you’re flying a JSF, there’s no point in trying to get into a sustained, close turning battle with another fighter. “There were not compelling reasons to fight in this region.” God help you if the enemy surprises you and you have no <em>choice</em> but to turn.</p><p></p><p>The JSF tester found just one way to win a short-range air-to-air engagement — by performing a very specific maneuver. “Once established at high AoA, a prolonged full rudder input generated a fast enough yaw rate to create excessive heading crossing angles with opportunities to point for missile shots.”</p><p></p><p>But there’s a problem — this sliding maneuver bleeds energy <em>fast</em>. “The technique required a commitment to lose energy and was a temporary opportunity prior to needing to regain energy … and ultimately end up defensive again.” In other words, having tried the trick once, an F-35 pilot is out of options and needs to get away quick".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Biblicist, post: 68211379, member: 281049"] I just came across an interesting article (which might require verification) regarding a supposed recent dogfight between the JSA F-35 and a much older F-16, which is the plane that it is supposed to replace. Apparently the F-16 outclassed the F-35 and if a much older 4th Generation plane can (supposedly) easily destroy an F-35, what hope does it have against a 4+ Gen or more importantly with the more recent 5th Generation aircraft such as the Russian Sukhoi PAK FA? Rebuttals are more than welcome! [CENTER][GALLERY=media, 52869]F16-F35 Image by Biblicist2 posted Jun 30, 2015 at 4:05 PM[/GALLERY][/CENTER] [CENTER][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=5][SIZE=6]"The defeated flier’s five-page report is a damning litany of aerodynamic complaints targeting the cumbersome JSF".[/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=5][SIZE=6][FONT=Arial][SIZE=4][URL='https://medium.com/war-is-boring/test-pilot-admits-the-f-35-can-t-dogfight-cdb9d11a875'](Link)[/URL][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT] [/CENTER] “Insufficient pitch rate.” “Energy deficit to the bandit would increase over time.” “The flying qualities in the blended region (20–26 degrees AoA) were not intuitive or favorable.” The F-35 jockey tried to target the F-16 with the stealth jet’s 25-millimeter cannon, but the smaller F-16 easily dodged. “Instead of catching the bandit off-guard by rapidly pull aft to achieve lead, the nose rate was slow, allowing him to easily time his jink prior to a gun solution,” the JSF pilot complained. And when the pilot of the F-16 turned the tables on the F-35, maneuvering to put the stealth plane in his own gunsight, the JSF jockey found he couldn’t maneuver out of the way, owing to a “lack of nose rate.” The F-35 pilot came right out and said it — if you’re flying a JSF, there’s no point in trying to get into a sustained, close turning battle with another fighter. “There were not compelling reasons to fight in this region.” God help you if the enemy surprises you and you have no [I]choice[/I] but to turn. The JSF tester found just one way to win a short-range air-to-air engagement — by performing a very specific maneuver. “Once established at high AoA, a prolonged full rudder input generated a fast enough yaw rate to create excessive heading crossing angles with opportunities to point for missile shots.” But there’s a problem — this sliding maneuver bleeds energy [I]fast[/I]. “The technique required a commitment to lose energy and was a temporary opportunity prior to needing to regain energy … and ultimately end up defensive again.” In other words, having tried the trick once, an F-35 pilot is out of options and needs to get away quick". [/QUOTE]
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