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The USA has grounded its entire fleet of F-35 fighter jets
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<blockquote data-quote="Biblicist" data-source="post: 68132074" data-attributes="member: 281049"><p>I will agree with some of your points which I had planned to add into my original post. The problem with training is that even in the earlier period of the Vietnam war the less competent North Vietnames pilots were downing US fighters in massive numbers.</p><p>Would it be possible to train our pilots to the degree required when the F-35 is already so outdated and inefficient where it is no match for the Russian Sukhoi - this presumes that the F-35 actually makes it to full production.</p><p></p><p>AWAC's could certainly play a critical role where we seem to have between 4-8 such aircraft at the moment where Indonesia probably has none. My concern is that even though we should have a few cards up our sleeves, as the F-35 is such a poor fighter in virtually all categories, will our AWAC's and our training be enough? Above all else, I was rather shocked when the Lockheed Martin Rep refused to say that an F-35 would be an effective weapon against a Sukhoi T-50, not good news at all.</p><p></p><p>Hopefully when a few more machines enter into service in the US that that this will be enough to force the US military to cancel the project where we might have a chance to source a better aircraft from Europe; its too bad that Australia would never buy the Russian plane!</p><p></p><p>With regard to the axiom "who gets spotted first gets killed", this is also a problem as the reviews seem to indicate that the Sukhoi should be able to spot an F-35 first and as the Sukhoi carries missiles that can out range an F-35 then it seems (providing the reviews are correct) that our pilots will be downed before they even get in strike range.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Biblicist, post: 68132074, member: 281049"] I will agree with some of your points which I had planned to add into my original post. The problem with training is that even in the earlier period of the Vietnam war the less competent North Vietnames pilots were downing US fighters in massive numbers. Would it be possible to train our pilots to the degree required when the F-35 is already so outdated and inefficient where it is no match for the Russian Sukhoi - this presumes that the F-35 actually makes it to full production. AWAC's could certainly play a critical role where we seem to have between 4-8 such aircraft at the moment where Indonesia probably has none. My concern is that even though we should have a few cards up our sleeves, as the F-35 is such a poor fighter in virtually all categories, will our AWAC's and our training be enough? Above all else, I was rather shocked when the Lockheed Martin Rep refused to say that an F-35 would be an effective weapon against a Sukhoi T-50, not good news at all. Hopefully when a few more machines enter into service in the US that that this will be enough to force the US military to cancel the project where we might have a chance to source a better aircraft from Europe; its too bad that Australia would never buy the Russian plane! With regard to the axiom "who gets spotted first gets killed", this is also a problem as the reviews seem to indicate that the Sukhoi should be able to spot an F-35 first and as the Sukhoi carries missiles that can out range an F-35 then it seems (providing the reviews are correct) that our pilots will be downed before they even get in strike range. [/QUOTE]
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