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<blockquote data-quote="Jedi" data-source="post: 687077" data-attributes="member: 4408"><p>I saw your name as someone who replied to this topic, and I knew those were the thoughts going through your head.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And yet the rub comes in where God is not specified toward any religion, and so as Ive explained before, even an atheist could view this God being spoken of as evolution the alleged force responsible for the creation of the world/life.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I beg to differ. Does this mean that a Muslim or Jew cant say God in reference to their deity? Come now, blader, theres no reference whatsoever exclusively to Christianity in the pledge. God is not just a Christian term, and the capital G is merely capitalized since it is a proper noun.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The motivation of its birth doesnt mean its application is now restricted.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, so now it depends on perspective and how you define God. Im sorry to say that not all people believe that God is a supernatural being outside of nature, yet they still refer to him as God. It seems the most basic definition of God is God=creator. Anything beyond that tends to start leaning toward a given particular religion.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not really, since that would mean Satan=God, and thats nowhere in the definition of either of them, unlike the understanding of God=creator.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Funny I never said they did. Youre now assuming that everyone must worship whatever God exists, and that is a very Christian idea.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Im saying that by simply leaving it as God, it refers to whatever being/force/thing created everything. If you want to assert that string theory did it, then string theory would be God.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You dont know that, and trying to assert this as true is to assert your definition of God over any other definition (even the most basic of which Ive given of God=creator.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thats what I said it was, more or less. The school (or some other establishment) sponsoring something that tends to pressure someone to do something, even though its not mandatory. However, using this logic, the pledge shouldnt be said at all in school (since it might coerce someone who doesnt want to say it). Its no longer a matter of the phrase under God, but in order to be consistent, you must include the entire pledge.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, but theyre very parallel. A lot of establishments sing God Bless America just like schools recite the pledge over the intercom. Neither is mandatory, but both are done in the same manner. You cant get rid of one without clawing at the other. Why should people feel pressured to say the pledge of allegiance and not feel the same way when everyone is asked to stand/sing God Bless America or even the National Anthem? They all fall into the same exact category the pledge does as far as the beloved coercion test goes. The coercion test must be applied to all of these instances, or none at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jedi, post: 687077, member: 4408"] I saw your name as someone who replied to this topic, and I knew those were the thoughts going through your head. And yet the rub comes in where God is not specified toward any religion, and so as Ive explained before, even an atheist could view this God being spoken of as evolution the alleged force responsible for the creation of the world/life. I beg to differ. Does this mean that a Muslim or Jew cant say God in reference to their deity? Come now, blader, theres no reference whatsoever exclusively to Christianity in the pledge. God is not just a Christian term, and the capital G is merely capitalized since it is a proper noun. The motivation of its birth doesnt mean its application is now restricted. Ah, so now it depends on perspective and how you define God. Im sorry to say that not all people believe that God is a supernatural being outside of nature, yet they still refer to him as God. It seems the most basic definition of God is God=creator. Anything beyond that tends to start leaning toward a given particular religion. Not really, since that would mean Satan=God, and thats nowhere in the definition of either of them, unlike the understanding of God=creator. Funny I never said they did. Youre now assuming that everyone must worship whatever God exists, and that is a very Christian idea. Im saying that by simply leaving it as God, it refers to whatever being/force/thing created everything. If you want to assert that string theory did it, then string theory would be God. You dont know that, and trying to assert this as true is to assert your definition of God over any other definition (even the most basic of which Ive given of God=creator.) Thats what I said it was, more or less. The school (or some other establishment) sponsoring something that tends to pressure someone to do something, even though its not mandatory. However, using this logic, the pledge shouldnt be said at all in school (since it might coerce someone who doesnt want to say it). Its no longer a matter of the phrase under God, but in order to be consistent, you must include the entire pledge. Ah, but theyre very parallel. A lot of establishments sing God Bless America just like schools recite the pledge over the intercom. Neither is mandatory, but both are done in the same manner. You cant get rid of one without clawing at the other. Why should people feel pressured to say the pledge of allegiance and not feel the same way when everyone is asked to stand/sing God Bless America or even the National Anthem? They all fall into the same exact category the pledge does as far as the beloved coercion test goes. The coercion test must be applied to all of these instances, or none at all. [/QUOTE]
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