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<blockquote data-quote="drich0150" data-source="post: 53608433" data-attributes="member: 218229"><p>If you think I have denied or avoided this point you've misunderstood what been saying, or haven't been saying. "Science is a fact based Faith and Christianity is a Faith or trust based faith." I believe I said that back in the beginning of this mess.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I see when dictionary.com doesn't suit your argument your not so ready to quote it. So allow me this time.</p><p><strong>faith</strong> (f&#257;th) <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a> </p><p>n. </p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><u><strong>Confident belief in</strong> <strong>the</strong> truth, value, or <strong>trustworthiness of a</strong> person, <strong>idea,</strong> or thing.</u></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/belief" target="_blank">belief</a>, <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/trust" target="_blank">trust</a>.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: <em>keeping faith with one's supporters.</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">often Faith <em>Christianity</em> The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">The body of dogma of a religion: <em>the Muslim faith.</em></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">A set of principles or beliefs.</li> </ol><p>Faith is not always "blind" belief. As I have said a number of times before You exercise <em>a measure of Faith</em> when you believe your version of your Favorite theory. It is a confident belief in the trustworthiness of an Idea.. </p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #006400">Fact also indicates a <em>matter under discussion</em> deemed to be true or correct, such as to emphasize a point or prove a disputed issue; (e.g., "... the <em>fact</em> of the matter is ...").</span></p><p><span style="color: #006400"><strong>Alternatively, <em>fact</em> may also indicate an <em>allegation or stipulation</em> of something that may or may not be a "true fact",</strong> (e.g., "the author's facts are not trustworthy"). </span></p><p></p><p> </p><p>And with this statement your mind closes to anything that does not suit your version of Fact. You seem to need to Herold all Fact as truth. Again Fact can be true, but not all facts are.. I guess there is nothing more to say from here. If you don't want to see past your Faith in Facts then you never will.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Evidently this is what you see my "faith" and argument to be. I have a deep and profound respect for science and some of it's products. But I also see agenda, profit, and greed as motivators behind alot of the "science" being pushed on us. </p><p> </p><p>Where we differ is I don't see "faith" an evil word or a foolish endeavor. In my life it is OK to have faith in something beyond my comprehension.. and evidently it is OK in yours as well. Because no matter how you slice it, you can not have a mastery over the whole of Science, and all the term would encompass. At some point you have to simple trust the science in avionics, or electronics or whatever it is you do not full comprehend.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="drich0150, post: 53608433, member: 218229"] If you think I have denied or avoided this point you've misunderstood what been saying, or haven't been saying. "Science is a fact based Faith and Christianity is a Faith or trust based faith." I believe I said that back in the beginning of this mess. I see when dictionary.com doesn't suit your argument your not so ready to quote it. So allow me this time. [B]faith[/B] (fāth) [URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/help/ahd4/pronkey.html"][IMG]http://sp.ask.com/dictstatic/g/d/dictionary_questionbutton_default.gif[/IMG][/URL] n. [LIST=1] [*][U][B]Confident belief in[/B] [B]the[/B] truth, value, or [B]trustworthiness of a[/B] person, [B]idea,[/B] or thing.[/U] [*]Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at [URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/belief"]belief[/URL], [URL="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/trust"]trust[/URL]. [*]Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: [I]keeping faith with one's supporters.[/I] [*]often Faith [I]Christianity[/I] The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will. [*]The body of dogma of a religion: [I]the Muslim faith.[/I] [*]A set of principles or beliefs. [/LIST]Faith is not always "blind" belief. As I have said a number of times before You exercise [I]a measure of Faith[/I] when you believe your version of your Favorite theory. It is a confident belief in the trustworthiness of an Idea.. [COLOR=#006400]Fact also indicates a [I]matter under discussion[/I] deemed to be true or correct, such as to emphasize a point or prove a disputed issue; (e.g., "... the [I]fact[/I] of the matter is ..."). [B]Alternatively, [I]fact[/I] may also indicate an [I]allegation or stipulation[/I] of something that may or may not be a "true fact",[/B] (e.g., "the author's facts are not trustworthy"). [/COLOR] And with this statement your mind closes to anything that does not suit your version of Fact. You seem to need to Herold all Fact as truth. Again Fact can be true, but not all facts are.. I guess there is nothing more to say from here. If you don't want to see past your Faith in Facts then you never will. Evidently this is what you see my "faith" and argument to be. I have a deep and profound respect for science and some of it's products. But I also see agenda, profit, and greed as motivators behind alot of the "science" being pushed on us. Where we differ is I don't see "faith" an evil word or a foolish endeavor. In my life it is OK to have faith in something beyond my comprehension.. and evidently it is OK in yours as well. Because no matter how you slice it, you can not have a mastery over the whole of Science, and all the term would encompass. At some point you have to simple trust the science in avionics, or electronics or whatever it is you do not full comprehend. [/QUOTE]
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