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The mythology surrounding Lucifer/Satan/The Devil
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<blockquote data-quote="GrayAngel" data-source="post: 59783926" data-attributes="member: 162431"><p><u><strong>Revelation 12:7-9</strong></u> - <em>Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down&#8212;that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.</em></p><p></p><p>The devil was an angel who was cast out of Heaven, along with one-third of the angels. The Bible never refers to him as Lucifer, but he is how the Old Testament verse describes him.</p><p></p><p>This happens a few times in the OT. It will speak about one thing, but some of the things said about it don't apply. For this reason, it is believed that the King of Babylon and the angel cast from Heaven are being spoken of as if they are one.</p><p></p><p>This is similar to what happens in Hosea, when the prophet takes a prostitute for a wife. Then Hosea, his wife (Gomer), and their three children become symbols of God, Israel, and their descendants. The prophecy given speaks of both the individuals and their symbolic equivalents as if they were the same:</p><p></p><p><u><strong>Hosea 2:7-8</strong></u> - <em>&#8220;She will chase after her lovers but not catch them;</em></p><p><em>she will look for them but not find them.</em></p><p><em>Then she will say,</em></p><p><em>&#8216;I will go back to my husband as at first,</em></p><p><em>for then I was better off than now.&#8217;</em></p><p><em>She has not acknowledged that I was the one</em></p><p><em>who gave her the grain, the new wine and oil,</em></p><p><em>who lavished on her the silver and gold&#8212;</em></p><p><em>which they used for Baal.&#8221;</em></p><p></p><p>And Satan was not one of God's servants in Job. His goal was to hurt God's image, and to cause one of His servants to curse him. That does not sound like something a servant would do for his master.</p><p></p><p><u><strong>Job 1:9-11</strong></u> - <em>&#8220;Does Job fear God for nothing?&#8221; Satan replied. &#8220;Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.&#8221;</em></p><p></p><p>Job shows us that even Satan can't do anything without God's approval. This is consistent with what the New Testament tells us about God:</p><p></p><p><u><strong>1 Corinthians 10:13</strong></u> - <em>No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.</em></p><p></p><p>As the first century church believed, God is in control. Even the evil we suffer was ordained by God for our benefit.</p><p></p><p><u><strong>Acts 5:40:41</strong></u> - <em>His [Judas the Galilean's] speech persuaded them. They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name.</em></p><p></p><p><u><strong>James 1:12</strong></u> - <em>Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.</em></p><p></p><p>Satan is not a friend of God, but like everyone else, Satan is powerless to overcome God's will.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GrayAngel, post: 59783926, member: 162431"] [U][B]Revelation 12:7-9[/B][/U] - [I]Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.[/I] The devil was an angel who was cast out of Heaven, along with one-third of the angels. The Bible never refers to him as Lucifer, but he is how the Old Testament verse describes him. This happens a few times in the OT. It will speak about one thing, but some of the things said about it don't apply. For this reason, it is believed that the King of Babylon and the angel cast from Heaven are being spoken of as if they are one. This is similar to what happens in Hosea, when the prophet takes a prostitute for a wife. Then Hosea, his wife (Gomer), and their three children become symbols of God, Israel, and their descendants. The prophecy given speaks of both the individuals and their symbolic equivalents as if they were the same: [U][B]Hosea 2:7-8[/B][/U] - [I]“She will chase after her lovers but not catch them; she will look for them but not find them. Then she will say, ‘I will go back to my husband as at first, for then I was better off than now.’ She has not acknowledged that I was the one who gave her the grain, the new wine and oil, who lavished on her the silver and gold— which they used for Baal.”[/I] And Satan was not one of God's servants in Job. His goal was to hurt God's image, and to cause one of His servants to curse him. That does not sound like something a servant would do for his master. [U][B]Job 1:9-11[/B][/U] - [I]“Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”[/I] Job shows us that even Satan can't do anything without God's approval. This is consistent with what the New Testament tells us about God: [U][B]1 Corinthians 10:13[/B][/U] - [I]No temptation has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.[/I] As the first century church believed, God is in control. Even the evil we suffer was ordained by God for our benefit. [U][B]Acts 5:40:41[/B][/U] - [I]His [Judas the Galilean's] speech persuaded them. They called the apostles in and had them flogged. Then they ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. The apostles left the Sanhedrin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy of suffering disgrace for the Name.[/I] [U][B]James 1:12[/B][/U] - [I]Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.[/I] Satan is not a friend of God, but like everyone else, Satan is powerless to overcome God's will. [/QUOTE]
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