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<blockquote data-quote="DontTreadOnMike" data-source="post: 59783444" data-attributes="member: 257015"><p>Every Christian I know will agree that the image of Satan as a red guy with horns, a pointy tail, and a pitch fork is just a legend and a non-biblical description. It probably was adapted from pagan imagery (google "Krampus")</p><p></p><p>But many Christians believe that Satan was an angel named Lucifer who was once the most beautiful angel in heaven, but who rebelled and was cast out for his pride. This notion comes more from Paradise Lost than from the Bible. That verse in Isaiah that people use to support the idea that Lucifer is a fallen angel actually refers to the king of Babylon. Let's look at the entire passage in context. I'll add emphasis and comments where needed. </p><p></p><p>Isaiah 14:4-20</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>(Comment: so right off the bat, we see that the following message is for the king of Babylon.)</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>(comment:This is the verse that people take out of context and attribute to Satan. In the king james version "morning star" is replaced with "lucifer." It's a title, not a proper name.)</p><p></p><p> </p><p>(comment: Notice in the verse immediately following the verses thought to describe a fallen angel, the lucifer character is referred to as a MAN who shook the earth.)</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>(comment: notice here that this lucifer is contrasted with other human earthly kings. Other kings are buried in tombs when they die, but this king is left out to be trampled like a branch. And again, at the very beginning of this whole passage, we see that this message is specifically and blatantly for the king od Babylon. It doesn't describe an angel falling from heaven.)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But the name of Lucifer is never connected with the adversary or Satan in the Bible. In the new testament, Satan is seen as evil, but in judaism and the old testament, Satan is an angel, very much under God's command, who acts like a prosecutor in a court room. This is seen clearly in Job. God is the judge, Job is the defendant, and Satan is the prosecutor.</p><p></p><p>So why do some Christians rightly reject the pagan-mythology-based image of Satan as a red-horned devil with a pitchfork, but accept this false equating of Lucifer and Satan? I mean, I get it, the Bible itself isn't very consistent on the idea. In the old testament, Satan is an angel from God who acts as a prosecutor, in the gospels he becomes evil, and in Revelation the character blows insanely out of proportion from the original writing of the old testament.</p><p></p><p>So what do we think of all this?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DontTreadOnMike, post: 59783444, member: 257015"] Every Christian I know will agree that the image of Satan as a red guy with horns, a pointy tail, and a pitch fork is just a legend and a non-biblical description. It probably was adapted from pagan imagery (google "Krampus") But many Christians believe that Satan was an angel named Lucifer who was once the most beautiful angel in heaven, but who rebelled and was cast out for his pride. This notion comes more from Paradise Lost than from the Bible. That verse in Isaiah that people use to support the idea that Lucifer is a fallen angel actually refers to the king of Babylon. Let's look at the entire passage in context. I'll add emphasis and comments where needed. Isaiah 14:4-20 (Comment: so right off the bat, we see that the following message is for the king of Babylon.) (comment:This is the verse that people take out of context and attribute to Satan. In the king james version "morning star" is replaced with "lucifer." It's a title, not a proper name.) (comment: Notice in the verse immediately following the verses thought to describe a fallen angel, the lucifer character is referred to as a MAN who shook the earth.) (comment: notice here that this lucifer is contrasted with other human earthly kings. Other kings are buried in tombs when they die, but this king is left out to be trampled like a branch. And again, at the very beginning of this whole passage, we see that this message is specifically and blatantly for the king od Babylon. It doesn't describe an angel falling from heaven.) But the name of Lucifer is never connected with the adversary or Satan in the Bible. In the new testament, Satan is seen as evil, but in judaism and the old testament, Satan is an angel, very much under God's command, who acts like a prosecutor in a court room. This is seen clearly in Job. God is the judge, Job is the defendant, and Satan is the prosecutor. So why do some Christians rightly reject the pagan-mythology-based image of Satan as a red-horned devil with a pitchfork, but accept this false equating of Lucifer and Satan? I mean, I get it, the Bible itself isn't very consistent on the idea. In the old testament, Satan is an angel from God who acts as a prosecutor, in the gospels he becomes evil, and in Revelation the character blows insanely out of proportion from the original writing of the old testament. So what do we think of all this? [/QUOTE]
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