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<blockquote data-quote="aiki" data-source="post: 58747619" data-attributes="member: 178791"><p>You make it sound as though the two things - God being a merciless terror to the wicked and His being loving - are mutually exclusive things. Do you believe this? </p><p></p><p>But the words and actions we read of in Scripture are reported to us <em>via his disciples</em>. We read of Christ's words and deeds <em>second-hand</em> through the recollections of his followers. Why trust them to accurately relate the truth above the other contributors to the Bible? </p><p></p><p> "Intuitively understand" sounds like just a fancy way of saying "make assumptions." </p><p></p><p>But Christ acted in accord with everything the OT revealed of the nature of God. Jesus, then, didn't reveal anything new about God; he was just a tangible, human manifestation of the God the Jews had worshipped for centuries. </p><p></p><p>It is the love of God that prompts Him to <em>warn</em> us of the eternal consequences of our willful, unrepentant disobedience to His laws. Such a warning may seem coercive to some, but the motive for it is to <em>protect and save</em>, not force. </p><p></p><p>It sounds horrible taken in isolation from its context. But the passage from <strong>Leviticus</strong> you've cited follows after <em>four </em>earlier escalating attempts by God to produce repentance in His Chosen People are defied. God shows tremendous patience and mercy in the slow, incrementally-escalating method He uses to turn the wayward Israelites back to Himself. He doesn't just drop the hammer and crush the Israelites the first time they step out of line. Instead, He only moves to the harsh extremes described in <strong>Leviticus 26: 28, 29</strong> after several earlier, less severe measures have been resisted. </p><p></p><p>God doesn't demand the Jews' obedience "or else." On one hand God warns of His discipline if His Chosen People stray from their covenant with Him. On the other, God offers blessing and prosperity if His People maintain their fidelity to Him. God uses both positive and negative inducements, the carrot and the stick, to prompt the Israelites to walk with Him. And God does the very same thing in the NT (see<strong> John 10:10; Heb. 12:5-11; </strong>) </p><p></p><p>I've been within the Baptist denomination since birth. The fear of God was taught but never in isolation from His love, mercy and grace. I'm sorry to hear your experience was so different from mine. </p><p></p><p>I don't see that the God presented to us in the OT is less clear or realized than the God we encounter in the NT. </p><p></p><p><strong>Malachi 3:6 </strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000000">6 </span>"For I <em>am</em> the Lord, I do not change...</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Hebrews 13:8 </strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: #000000">8 </span>Jesus Christ <em>is</em> the same yesterday, today, and forever. </strong></p><p></p><p>Selah.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aiki, post: 58747619, member: 178791"] You make it sound as though the two things - God being a merciless terror to the wicked and His being loving - are mutually exclusive things. Do you believe this? But the words and actions we read of in Scripture are reported to us [I]via his disciples[/I]. We read of Christ's words and deeds [I]second-hand[/I] through the recollections of his followers. Why trust them to accurately relate the truth above the other contributors to the Bible? "Intuitively understand" sounds like just a fancy way of saying "make assumptions." But Christ acted in accord with everything the OT revealed of the nature of God. Jesus, then, didn't reveal anything new about God; he was just a tangible, human manifestation of the God the Jews had worshipped for centuries. It is the love of God that prompts Him to [I]warn[/I] us of the eternal consequences of our willful, unrepentant disobedience to His laws. Such a warning may seem coercive to some, but the motive for it is to [I]protect and save[/I], not force. It sounds horrible taken in isolation from its context. But the passage from [B]Leviticus[/B] you've cited follows after [I]four [/I]earlier escalating attempts by God to produce repentance in His Chosen People are defied. God shows tremendous patience and mercy in the slow, incrementally-escalating method He uses to turn the wayward Israelites back to Himself. He doesn't just drop the hammer and crush the Israelites the first time they step out of line. Instead, He only moves to the harsh extremes described in [B]Leviticus 26: 28, 29[/B] after several earlier, less severe measures have been resisted. God doesn't demand the Jews' obedience "or else." On one hand God warns of His discipline if His Chosen People stray from their covenant with Him. On the other, God offers blessing and prosperity if His People maintain their fidelity to Him. God uses both positive and negative inducements, the carrot and the stick, to prompt the Israelites to walk with Him. And God does the very same thing in the NT (see[B] John 10:10; Heb. 12:5-11; [/B]) I've been within the Baptist denomination since birth. The fear of God was taught but never in isolation from His love, mercy and grace. I'm sorry to hear your experience was so different from mine. I don't see that the God presented to us in the OT is less clear or realized than the God we encounter in the NT. [B]Malachi 3:6 [/B] [B][COLOR=#000000]6 [/COLOR]"For I [I]am[/I] the Lord, I do not change...[/B] [B]Hebrews 13:8 [/B] [B][COLOR=#000000]8 [/COLOR]Jesus Christ [I]is[/I] the same yesterday, today, and forever. [/B] Selah. [/QUOTE]
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