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So a human being has a right to be born but not to healthcare
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<blockquote data-quote="PreachersWife2004" data-source="post: 52921092" data-attributes="member: 188814"><p>See, when you post stuff like this in a thread like this, it's really almost as though you're saying that anyone who disagrees with you isn't showing the right kind of mercy.</p><p></p><p>Yes, faith can save. It is not our works that get us to heaven. The fruits of our faith are shown in the day to day things that we do. That may or may not include paying for someone else's medical treatment, but we get to choose how we show our fruits, not the government.</p><p></p><p>And again, the idea that just because people are against universal health care coverage that they are aren't helping out in other ways is just plain wrong and misguided.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>You do realize that this doesn't at mean that rich people are bad, or that they deserve to have their wealth taken away. One of the most caring compassionate and giving Christians I know happens to own a multi-million dollar business, often donates much to area churches and gives food away on a regular basis. He doesn't hoard his wealth - which is what is being talked about in these passages.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> See above. But I'll ask you: have you sold all that you own to follow Jesus?</p><p> </p><p>and we can certainly do this without the government's help.</p><p> </p><p>see, again, there's that tone of judgment from you. For the record, I AM POOR. It's a little hard for me to hate myself.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Yes, and many people who oppose this health care reform do that on a regulat basis.</p><p><span style="color: #006400"></span></p><p><span style="color: #006400"></span>Eh, I think you're misreading those passages a bit, but the general idea isn't to do these things to garner attention but to truly help those in need. In my case, my relatives and neighbors ARE the wounded and the needy, so I'm covered. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Again, many people opposed to this health care reform probably do this in some form of fashion or another.</p><p></p><p>Oh we have plenty of choice. We are not GodBots who just blindly follow. God gave us free will. We don't always choose rightly with our free will, but He doesn't force us to do anything. It's our faith that causes us to want to do good to and for others. </p><p></p><p>I am the poor. Just remember that. My household is well below poverty level for a family of four. We live okay and comfortably because of the love of our congregation and our neighbors, not because anyone is forced to help us.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PreachersWife2004, post: 52921092, member: 188814"] See, when you post stuff like this in a thread like this, it's really almost as though you're saying that anyone who disagrees with you isn't showing the right kind of mercy. Yes, faith can save. It is not our works that get us to heaven. The fruits of our faith are shown in the day to day things that we do. That may or may not include paying for someone else's medical treatment, but we get to choose how we show our fruits, not the government. And again, the idea that just because people are against universal health care coverage that they are aren't helping out in other ways is just plain wrong and misguided. You do realize that this doesn't at mean that rich people are bad, or that they deserve to have their wealth taken away. One of the most caring compassionate and giving Christians I know happens to own a multi-million dollar business, often donates much to area churches and gives food away on a regular basis. He doesn't hoard his wealth - which is what is being talked about in these passages. See above. But I'll ask you: have you sold all that you own to follow Jesus? and we can certainly do this without the government's help. see, again, there's that tone of judgment from you. For the record, I AM POOR. It's a little hard for me to hate myself. Yes, and many people who oppose this health care reform do that on a regulat basis. [COLOR=#006400] [/COLOR]Eh, I think you're misreading those passages a bit, but the general idea isn't to do these things to garner attention but to truly help those in need. In my case, my relatives and neighbors ARE the wounded and the needy, so I'm covered. ;) Again, many people opposed to this health care reform probably do this in some form of fashion or another. Oh we have plenty of choice. We are not GodBots who just blindly follow. God gave us free will. We don't always choose rightly with our free will, but He doesn't force us to do anything. It's our faith that causes us to want to do good to and for others. I am the poor. Just remember that. My household is well below poverty level for a family of four. We live okay and comfortably because of the love of our congregation and our neighbors, not because anyone is forced to help us. [/QUOTE]
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