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Senators race to secure border deal with Ukraine aid at stake
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<blockquote data-quote="Laodicean60" data-source="post: 77582069" data-attributes="member: 450284"><p>Our desire to take over the world is provocative to other countries in the world especially those that don't hold our values (BRICS). I am of the opposing view because if we don't learn to peaceably live with one another we won't live at all. We need a reset in our foreign policy or we'll all go up in smoke.</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The opposing view argues that <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/opinion/putin-ukraine-nato.html" target="_blank">Russia’s security concerns are in fact genuine</a>, and that NATO expansion eastward is seen by Russians as directed against their country. Putin has been clear for many years that if continued, the <a href="https://www.vox.com/2022/2/23/22948534/russia-ukraine-war-putin-explosions-invasion-explained" target="_blank">expansion would likely be met with serious resistance</a> by the Russians, even with military action. That perspective isn’t held just by Russians; some influential American foreign policy experts have subscribed to it as well. Among others, Biden’s CIA director, William J. Burns, has been warning about the provocative effect of NATO expansion on Russia since 1995. That’s when Burns, then a political officer in the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, reported to Washington that “<a href="https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-2022-02-10/html/CREC-2022-02-10-pt1-PgS632-2.htm" target="_blank">hostility to early NATO expansion is almost universally felt across the domestic political spectrum here</a>.”</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Russian elite and broad public opinion <a href="https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/why-nato-has-become-flash-point-russia-ukraine" target="_blank">have both long been opposed to such expansion</a>, the <a href="https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/05/18/478414178/u-s-enlarges-its-military-footprint-in-eastern-europe-to-mixed-reviews" target="_blank">placement of American rockets in Poland and Romania</a> and the <a href="https://theconversation.com/a-historian-corrects-misunderstandings-about-ukrainian-and-russian-history-177697" target="_blank">arming of Ukraine</a> with Western weaponry.<br /> When President Bill Clinton’s administration <a href="https://millercenter.org/president/clinton/foreign-affairs" target="_blank">moved to bring Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic into NATO</a>, Burns wrote that the decision was “<a href="https://peterbeinart.substack.com/p/bidens-cia-director-doesnt-believe" target="_blank">premature at best, and needlessly provocative at worst</a>.”</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In 2008, Burns, then the American ambassador to Moscow, <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/561709/the-back-channel-by-william-j-burns/" target="_blank">wrote to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice</a>: “Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.”</li> </ul><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-follows-decades-of-warnings-that-nato-expansion-into-eastern-europe-could-provoke-russia-177999[/URL]</p><p></p><p>And yet we keep pushing and pushing! India?</p><p></p><p>"US Permanent Representative to North Atlantic Treaty Organisation Julianne Smith Friday said India plays a crucial role in ensuring a free and open Indo-Pacific that aligns with the alliance.:</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://news.abplive.com/india-at-2047/nato-door-open-for-india-for-more-engagement-not-membership-us-nato-envoy-smith-1592402[/URL]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Laodicean60, post: 77582069, member: 450284"] Our desire to take over the world is provocative to other countries in the world especially those that don't hold our values (BRICS). I am of the opposing view because if we don't learn to peaceably live with one another we won't live at all. We need a reset in our foreign policy or we'll all go up in smoke. [LIST] [*]The opposing view argues that [URL='https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/opinion/putin-ukraine-nato.html']Russia’s security concerns are in fact genuine[/URL], and that NATO expansion eastward is seen by Russians as directed against their country. Putin has been clear for many years that if continued, the [URL='https://www.vox.com/2022/2/23/22948534/russia-ukraine-war-putin-explosions-invasion-explained']expansion would likely be met with serious resistance[/URL] by the Russians, even with military action. That perspective isn’t held just by Russians; some influential American foreign policy experts have subscribed to it as well. Among others, Biden’s CIA director, William J. Burns, has been warning about the provocative effect of NATO expansion on Russia since 1995. That’s when Burns, then a political officer in the U.S. Embassy in Moscow, reported to Washington that “[URL='https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-2022-02-10/html/CREC-2022-02-10-pt1-PgS632-2.htm']hostility to early NATO expansion is almost universally felt across the domestic political spectrum here[/URL].” [*]Russian elite and broad public opinion [URL='https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/why-nato-has-become-flash-point-russia-ukraine']have both long been opposed to such expansion[/URL], the [URL='https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/05/18/478414178/u-s-enlarges-its-military-footprint-in-eastern-europe-to-mixed-reviews']placement of American rockets in Poland and Romania[/URL] and the [URL='https://theconversation.com/a-historian-corrects-misunderstandings-about-ukrainian-and-russian-history-177697']arming of Ukraine[/URL] with Western weaponry. When President Bill Clinton’s administration [URL='https://millercenter.org/president/clinton/foreign-affairs']moved to bring Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic into NATO[/URL], Burns wrote that the decision was “[URL='https://peterbeinart.substack.com/p/bidens-cia-director-doesnt-believe']premature at best, and needlessly provocative at worst[/URL].” [*]In 2008, Burns, then the American ambassador to Moscow, [URL='https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/561709/the-back-channel-by-william-j-burns/']wrote to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice[/URL]: “Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin). In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.” [/LIST] [URL unfurl="true"]https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-follows-decades-of-warnings-that-nato-expansion-into-eastern-europe-could-provoke-russia-177999[/URL] And yet we keep pushing and pushing! India? "US Permanent Representative to North Atlantic Treaty Organisation Julianne Smith Friday said India plays a crucial role in ensuring a free and open Indo-Pacific that aligns with the alliance.: [URL unfurl="true"]https://news.abplive.com/india-at-2047/nato-door-open-for-india-for-more-engagement-not-membership-us-nato-envoy-smith-1592402[/URL] [/QUOTE]
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