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<blockquote data-quote="ianb321red" data-source="post: 62534371" data-attributes="member: 291486"><p>"ultra hardcore christians" <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think is any basis or evidence for this claim to be honest. There is more evidence that in a secular society that the opposite would be true. I don't know of any campaigns from Christians that oppose atheism in any meaningful or constructive way..</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Right, so therefore this is not atheistic; it is actually an agnostic position ?</p><p>Atheism does not say that "I do not believe in God"; it affirms the negative position (non existence) of theos (God) - quite simply there is no God.</p><p>Your definition shows that you are NOT making an absolute claim that God definitely does NOT exist, therefore that is agnosticism.</p><p>And if it is agnosticism then because you are not making absolute claims about God's existence (because in fact you cannot), then you have to hold the agnostic position that we don't know. Richard Dawkins (claims to) hold this position, and at least if this is held genuinely then it means the possibility is still there (for some people) to "discover" God and furthermore confirm that atheism is fundamentally self-defeating as a thought system, and which is highly dangerous if this system of thought infiltrates research projects of any discipline which claim to be on the road of "discovery".....</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How do you know this ? Have you read any of the previously mentioned books by scientists (not apologists or evangelists) who are Christians and believe that there is evidence for God?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Can you not see how self defeating your approach to science really is?</p><p>You're saying there is no scientific evidence for God, and that religious beliefs should be left at home, yet previously you have said that it is down to science to decide whether a deity exists or not. This is self defeating and proves my point about bias, because any scientific research you start in your opinion must start with the presupposition of no god BEFORE the evidence has been gathered and analysed. That's not a robust approach to research at any level.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We've had this conversation before. Again from a research perspective this is imposing your own personal (evidentialism) beliefs as much or arguably more than anyone with religious beliefs, and what you're suggesting that is wrong you are seemingly guilty of yourself.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ianb321red, post: 62534371, member: 291486"] "ultra hardcore christians" :confused: I don't think is any basis or evidence for this claim to be honest. There is more evidence that in a secular society that the opposite would be true. I don't know of any campaigns from Christians that oppose atheism in any meaningful or constructive way.. Right, so therefore this is not atheistic; it is actually an agnostic position ? Atheism does not say that "I do not believe in God"; it affirms the negative position (non existence) of theos (God) - quite simply there is no God. Your definition shows that you are NOT making an absolute claim that God definitely does NOT exist, therefore that is agnosticism. And if it is agnosticism then because you are not making absolute claims about God's existence (because in fact you cannot), then you have to hold the agnostic position that we don't know. Richard Dawkins (claims to) hold this position, and at least if this is held genuinely then it means the possibility is still there (for some people) to "discover" God and furthermore confirm that atheism is fundamentally self-defeating as a thought system, and which is highly dangerous if this system of thought infiltrates research projects of any discipline which claim to be on the road of "discovery"..... How do you know this ? Have you read any of the previously mentioned books by scientists (not apologists or evangelists) who are Christians and believe that there is evidence for God? Can you not see how self defeating your approach to science really is? You're saying there is no scientific evidence for God, and that religious beliefs should be left at home, yet previously you have said that it is down to science to decide whether a deity exists or not. This is self defeating and proves my point about bias, because any scientific research you start in your opinion must start with the presupposition of no god BEFORE the evidence has been gathered and analysed. That's not a robust approach to research at any level. We've had this conversation before. Again from a research perspective this is imposing your own personal (evidentialism) beliefs as much or arguably more than anyone with religious beliefs, and what you're suggesting that is wrong you are seemingly guilty of yourself. [/QUOTE]
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