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<blockquote data-quote="seebs" data-source="post: 14722736" data-attributes="member: 2070"><p>The state doesn't do anything personally. The prosecution may take it personally.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wrong. God does not impose an irreperable harm to prevent irreperable harms. Moses instituted the death penalty, and easy divorce, and eye-for-eye. God, when He actually got here, undid all of that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Here you almost have the genesis of an argument which might be some good.</p><p></p><p>However: This argument would also support the death penalty for stealing. After all, the state should protect our property. And the death penalty for jaywalking. After all, the state's job is to uphold law and order.</p><p></p><p>In short, you need to show why we must ourselves commit this gravest of crimes to protect against it... And there is no reason.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. And what is the Christian view of human history? That it comes from the flesh, not the spirit, and reflects our fallen nature.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am not clouding the argument. I am pointing out that we have a clear historical precedent, which your argument does not address.</p><p></p><p>Your argument is "If the penalty for crime X is death, that is acceptable because people should consider their actions before committing that crime."</p><p></p><p>And yet, you accept this argument only when it matches your prejudices.</p><p></p><p>The argument is invalid; it produces obviously ludicrous results.</p><p></p><p>Your real argument is eye-for-eye (which Christ explicitly condemned) and human history (which we all recognize is full of flaws).</p><p></p><p>Neither is compelling.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="seebs, post: 14722736, member: 2070"] The state doesn't do anything personally. The prosecution may take it personally. Wrong. God does not impose an irreperable harm to prevent irreperable harms. Moses instituted the death penalty, and easy divorce, and eye-for-eye. God, when He actually got here, undid all of that. Here you almost have the genesis of an argument which might be some good. However: This argument would also support the death penalty for stealing. After all, the state should protect our property. And the death penalty for jaywalking. After all, the state's job is to uphold law and order. In short, you need to show why we must ourselves commit this gravest of crimes to protect against it... And there is no reason. Yes. And what is the Christian view of human history? That it comes from the flesh, not the spirit, and reflects our fallen nature. I am not clouding the argument. I am pointing out that we have a clear historical precedent, which your argument does not address. Your argument is "If the penalty for crime X is death, that is acceptable because people should consider their actions before committing that crime." And yet, you accept this argument only when it matches your prejudices. The argument is invalid; it produces obviously ludicrous results. Your real argument is eye-for-eye (which Christ explicitly condemned) and human history (which we all recognize is full of flaws). Neither is compelling. [/QUOTE]
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