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<blockquote data-quote="Soyeong" data-source="post: 77454615" data-attributes="member: 375022"><p>There is a world of difference between these to statements:</p><p></p><p>1.) Our salvation requires us to choose to be doers of God's law.</p><p></p><p>2.) Our salvation requires us to have first obeyed God's law in order to earn it as a wage</p><p></p><p>In Romans 2:13, only doers of the law will be justified, in Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him, in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so while there are many verses that deny #2, there are also many verses that support #1 and the problem is that people often assume that claiming #1 is claiming #2 and will argue against #1 by citing verses that deny #2. </p><p></p><p>In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. The content of a gift can itself be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where the gift requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work has nothing to do with earning the opportunity to drive it as a wage. Similarly, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3) and the gift of His law is His instructions for how to have that experience (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23). The experience of obeying God's law is about Him giving the gift of salvation to us, not about us earning our salvation from God as a wage.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That image is obviously slanted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Soyeong, post: 77454615, member: 375022"] There is a world of difference between these to statements: 1.) Our salvation requires us to choose to be doers of God's law. 2.) Our salvation requires us to have first obeyed God's law in order to earn it as a wage In Romans 2:13, only doers of the law will be justified, in Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has become a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him, in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so while there are many verses that deny #2, there are also many verses that support #1 and the problem is that people often assume that claiming #1 is claiming #2 and will argue against #1 by citing verses that deny #2. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith. The content of a gift can itself be the experience of doing something, such as giving someone the opportunity to experience driving a Ferrari for an hour, where the gift requires them to do the work of driving it in order to have that experience, but where doing that work has nothing to do with earning the opportunity to drive it as a wage. Similarly, the content of God's gift of eternal life is the experience of knowing Him and Jesus (John 17:3) and the gift of His law is His instructions for how to have that experience (Exodus 33:13, Matthew 7:23). The experience of obeying God's law is about Him giving the gift of salvation to us, not about us earning our salvation from God as a wage. That image is obviously slanted. [/QUOTE]
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