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Struggles by Non-Christians
Predestination, why bother?
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<blockquote data-quote="St_Worm2" data-source="post: 68542377" data-attributes="member: 511"><p>Hi Aidan, first, and perhaps most importantly, we do our best to lead a "moral life" because it <strong>pleases </strong>the Lord when we do so. Pleasing God is a Christian's <em>raison d'être</em>, our "reason to be" if you will, and I think it is that desire that is the most common characteristic among true Christians. We love Him and we want to do what pleases Him, that's why we "bother" <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> BTW, I fail miserably at that a lot of the time, but I know God is always there waiting for me with open arms to forgive me and help me get back on my feet!</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">*(I'm going to include some Scripture verses now so you can see what God has to say about all this as well. You should be able to read them just by moving your mouse over top of them)</span></p><p></p><p>Yes, those who will be "saved" are "<em>chosen in Him</em>" and "<em>predestined to adoption</em>" by God from "<em>before the foundation of the world</em>" .. Ephesians 1:4-6 (He is, after all, from everlasting to everlasting), and I don't believe that anyone who truly loves God and wants to be with Him at the end of the age will be going to Hell instead .. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/preach.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":preach:" title="Preach :preach:" data-shortname=":preach:" /></p><p></p><p>We preach the Gospel to every creature principally because God has commanded us to (Mark 16:15) and then, quite frankly, because we cannot know who will and who will not "<em>believe</em>" (only God knows that at this point). We are saved by Grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8), but "<strong><em>faith comes by hearing...</em></strong>" (Romans 10:17). For whatever reason, God saw fit to make us part of the process of coming to Him through faith.</p><p></p><p>Are you interested in becoming a Christian? I truly hope you are <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> If you want to know more about Christianity and/or how you might go about becoming one, just ask me or one of the other Christians here and we'll be glad to help you as best we can (you are welcome to "Start a Conversation" with any of us as well if you have questions you'd prefer to ask off the WWW).</p><p></p><p>Yours and His,</p><p>David</p><p>p.s. - there are a few who believe that God works iniquity into the hearts of those headed for Hell and in so doing 'forces' them against their will to turn away from Him and perish, but don't worry, that is not a Biblical principle. God doesn't "tempt" anyone to sin .. James 1:13 .. much less "cause" them to .. <img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/amen.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":amen:" title="Amen :amen:" data-shortname=":amen:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="font-size: 22px"><em>"If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart </em></span></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="color: #b30000"><em><span style="font-size: 22px">that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved"</span></em> </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="font-family: 'Book Antiqua'"><span style="color: #b30000">Romans 10:9</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="St_Worm2, post: 68542377, member: 511"] Hi Aidan, first, and perhaps most importantly, we do our best to lead a "moral life" because it [B]pleases [/B]the Lord when we do so. Pleasing God is a Christian's [I]raison d'être[/I], our "reason to be" if you will, and I think it is that desire that is the most common characteristic among true Christians. We love Him and we want to do what pleases Him, that's why we "bother" :) BTW, I fail miserably at that a lot of the time, but I know God is always there waiting for me with open arms to forgive me and help me get back on my feet! [SIZE=4]*(I'm going to include some Scripture verses now so you can see what God has to say about all this as well. You should be able to read them just by moving your mouse over top of them)[/SIZE] Yes, those who will be "saved" are "[I]chosen in Him[/I]" and "[I]predestined to adoption[/I]" by God from "[I]before the foundation of the world[/I]" .. Ephesians 1:4-6 (He is, after all, from everlasting to everlasting), and I don't believe that anyone who truly loves God and wants to be with Him at the end of the age will be going to Hell instead .. :preach: We preach the Gospel to every creature principally because God has commanded us to (Mark 16:15) and then, quite frankly, because we cannot know who will and who will not "[I]believe[/I]" (only God knows that at this point). We are saved by Grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8), but "[B][I]faith comes by hearing...[/I][/B]" (Romans 10:17). For whatever reason, God saw fit to make us part of the process of coming to Him through faith. Are you interested in becoming a Christian? I truly hope you are :) If you want to know more about Christianity and/or how you might go about becoming one, just ask me or one of the other Christians here and we'll be glad to help you as best we can (you are welcome to "Start a Conversation" with any of us as well if you have questions you'd prefer to ask off the WWW). Yours and His, David p.s. - there are a few who believe that God works iniquity into the hearts of those headed for Hell and in so doing 'forces' them against their will to turn away from Him and perish, but don't worry, that is not a Biblical principle. God doesn't "tempt" anyone to sin .. James 1:13 .. much less "cause" them to .. :amen: [CENTER][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=6][I]"If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart [/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Book Antiqua][COLOR=#b30000][I][SIZE=6]that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved"[/SIZE][/I] Romans 10:9[/COLOR][/FONT][/CENTER] [/QUOTE]
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