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Struggles by Non-Christians
Not struggling, but curious to hear a theist point of view.
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<blockquote data-quote="DwarfJuggler" data-source="post: 55485203" data-attributes="member: 267455"><p>So... just hypothetically. </p><p></p><p>Suppose an evil being defiant against your god, and apparently powerful enough to manipulate man, was around. Don't you suppose it could be possible to manipulate man to modify a couple words in the bible, namely heaven and hell. Suppose those two were switched, and when you're at the pearly gates and you're asked where you'd like to go... And you say heaven. Meanwhile heaven is the today known Hell wouldn't that be a dastardly evil plan for a evil being to commit? And to further add to the evil he could add in a line saying that the bible can not be manipulated/changed etc to further cement his evil plan.</p><p></p><p>Now I was never a theist nor have the desire to be. But when I first started learning about the bible and reading (slowly...) through it. This is the first thing that dawned on me. And you can add even more that to "give" god power you need to go to his domain when you pass, and as such you can argue further that the reason life seems more bleak and leading to this "end of days" scenario (for the hundredth time) is because of Satan's trick to lure you to his domain giving him more power to change the world for worse.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But that was just one thought umongst many that I have had that would be so easy to manipulate the bible to make control the believers. </p><p></p><p>Like if you were confused about why we don't live 500+ years. Well add in the line that god said we can't. And there you go problem solved. </p><p></p><p>But yes just my view point using critical thinking against a book that was formulated by man, and not even Jesus himself. And man is apparently easily swayed by sin and corruption like Judas... and the bible was put together years after such a religious icon of Jesus was around to help make people more pious. Which could further add to the corruptibility of the bible in my opinion. </p><p></p><p>Again though not trying to start a theist/atheist war on here, was just curious what justification will be used to claim that it wouldn't be possible.</p><p></p><p>And just another curious thing... If god is all knowing and all powerful why couldn't he punish the bad himself rather than allow an evil entity to try and manipulate and sway us "off the path" and torture us. Surely a rational god would create limitations instead of letting evil run rampant on his creations and creating this good vs evil "war" between angels and demons that apparently (up to interpretation) will happen in revelations? the whole 4 horsemen apocalypse stuff. (haven't read all of it yet... it's a ... very slow read.)</p><p></p><p>Good luck to you and yours,</p><p>Derek.</p><p><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/onion/bye.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":bye:" title="bye :bye:" data-shortname=":bye:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DwarfJuggler, post: 55485203, member: 267455"] So... just hypothetically. Suppose an evil being defiant against your god, and apparently powerful enough to manipulate man, was around. Don't you suppose it could be possible to manipulate man to modify a couple words in the bible, namely heaven and hell. Suppose those two were switched, and when you're at the pearly gates and you're asked where you'd like to go... And you say heaven. Meanwhile heaven is the today known Hell wouldn't that be a dastardly evil plan for a evil being to commit? And to further add to the evil he could add in a line saying that the bible can not be manipulated/changed etc to further cement his evil plan. Now I was never a theist nor have the desire to be. But when I first started learning about the bible and reading (slowly...) through it. This is the first thing that dawned on me. And you can add even more that to "give" god power you need to go to his domain when you pass, and as such you can argue further that the reason life seems more bleak and leading to this "end of days" scenario (for the hundredth time) is because of Satan's trick to lure you to his domain giving him more power to change the world for worse. But that was just one thought umongst many that I have had that would be so easy to manipulate the bible to make control the believers. Like if you were confused about why we don't live 500+ years. Well add in the line that god said we can't. And there you go problem solved. But yes just my view point using critical thinking against a book that was formulated by man, and not even Jesus himself. And man is apparently easily swayed by sin and corruption like Judas... and the bible was put together years after such a religious icon of Jesus was around to help make people more pious. Which could further add to the corruptibility of the bible in my opinion. Again though not trying to start a theist/atheist war on here, was just curious what justification will be used to claim that it wouldn't be possible. And just another curious thing... If god is all knowing and all powerful why couldn't he punish the bad himself rather than allow an evil entity to try and manipulate and sway us "off the path" and torture us. Surely a rational god would create limitations instead of letting evil run rampant on his creations and creating this good vs evil "war" between angels and demons that apparently (up to interpretation) will happen in revelations? the whole 4 horsemen apocalypse stuff. (haven't read all of it yet... it's a ... very slow read.) Good luck to you and yours, Derek. :bye: [/QUOTE]
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