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<blockquote data-quote="Gracchus" data-source="post: 26370608" data-attributes="member: 5905"><p>Public education in science is truly a national disgrace.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, you do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So! You honestly believe a falsehood?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Actually, Darwin turned the world, with the exception of the United States, upside down. </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>95% of scientists, and 99% of geologists and biologists accept evolution. Evolution is too big an idea to fit in the minds of the general population which are filled to overflowing with creationist equine feces. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, lets be really honest. Some are still dumb creatures.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I hadnt heard about tricycles evolved into space shuttles. Have you a citation?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Those arent differences. Havent you ever seen a nit comb? Ever heard of fleas on humans? Ticks? Monkeys do sweat. Surprise! So do humans. </p><p></p><p>Some monkeys do have larger canine teeth. Some have prehensile tails. Those are differences.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is not the difference. That is how the difference came about.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But it has been studied. Perhaps too little has been done in this field, but you are obviously unfamiliar even with that little.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.spermwhale.org/SDSU/cranford.html" target="_blank">http://www.spermwhale.org/SDSU/cranford.html</a></p><p><a href="http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050514/bob9.asp" target="_blank">http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050514/bob9.asp</a></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Perhaps because scientists do not suggest that it is intelligence that produces such a web.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You suppose this. You suppose incorrectly.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>(Formerly of Cornell University, now of the Institute for Creation Research. I suspect he didnt get tenure after four years.)</p><p></p><p>Sanford: </p><p>Quite so. It is the individual organism that is selected out.</p><p></p><p>Sanford: </p><p>The gene pool is the total set of individual genomes of an interbreeding population. Sanford knows this. </p><p></p><p>Sanford: </p><p>Except that most genes have several alleles (versions). It is the expression of the gene in the phenotype that is selected, not the gene. </p><p></p><p>Sanford: </p><p>Who said they were?</p><p></p><p>Sanford: </p><p>These are usually called genes.</p><p></p><p>Sanford: </p><p>Never say never. Google "chromosome crossover".</p><p></p><p>Sanford: </p><p></p><p>The change of a single nucleotide may or may not change the makeup of the protein that is coded by the gene. Nucleotides are not selected. Genes are not selected. The phenotype, the expression of the total genome of the individual organism is selected. </p><p></p><p>Sanford: </p><p>If the specific nucleotide sequence is a gene, then natural selection can indeed maintain it. Or not. And no real biologist suggests that natural selection creates genes, or alleles. That is done by mutation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I suspect a quote miner at work. Please cite Kimura.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Too bad it didnt turn monkeys into humans at ICR.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Mutation is more or less random. Selection is statistically non-random.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Except for Protists, Poriferans, Cnidarians, et al. which dont have organs.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As opposed to being poofed into existence?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And so, science is a diabolical plot? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is actually simple. The better the visual acuity, the better the chance of survival. The successes remain, the failures are selected out. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But the same gene may be expressed multiple times. Google homeobox gene or hox gene.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Impossible? More impossible than talking snakes and magic trees?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Have you heard of the psychological mechanism called projection? Thieves think everyone steals. Adulterers think everyone cheats. And liars think well you get the idea.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah yes! The talking snake who gets blamed whenever a Christian gets caught. (The devil made me do it!)</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>You would know.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh no! He has discovered the EAC! I am going to go microwave a kitten! That always makes me feel better.</p><p></p><p><img src="/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/old/wave.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wave:" title="wave :wave:" data-shortname=":wave:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gracchus, post: 26370608, member: 5905"] Public education in science is truly a national disgrace. Yes, you do. So! You honestly believe a falsehood? Actually, Darwin turned the world, with the exception of the United States, upside down. 95% of scientists, and 99% of geologists and biologists accept evolution. Evolution is too big an idea to fit in the minds of the general population which are filled to overflowing with creationist equine feces. Well, lets be really honest. Some are still dumb creatures. I hadnt heard about tricycles evolved into space shuttles. Have you a citation? Those arent differences. Havent you ever seen a nit comb? Ever heard of fleas on humans? Ticks? Monkeys do sweat. Surprise! So do humans. Some monkeys do have larger canine teeth. Some have prehensile tails. Those are differences. That is not the difference. That is how the difference came about. But it has been studied. Perhaps too little has been done in this field, but you are obviously unfamiliar even with that little. [URL]http://www.spermwhale.org/SDSU/cranford.html[/URL] [URL]http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050514/bob9.asp[/URL] Perhaps because scientists do not suggest that it is intelligence that produces such a web. You suppose this. You suppose incorrectly. (Formerly of Cornell University, now of the Institute for Creation Research. I suspect he didnt get tenure after four years.) Sanford: Quite so. It is the individual organism that is selected out. Sanford: The gene pool is the total set of individual genomes of an interbreeding population. Sanford knows this. Sanford: Except that most genes have several alleles (versions). It is the expression of the gene in the phenotype that is selected, not the gene. Sanford: Who said they were? Sanford: These are usually called genes. Sanford: Never say never. Google "chromosome crossover". Sanford: The change of a single nucleotide may or may not change the makeup of the protein that is coded by the gene. Nucleotides are not selected. Genes are not selected. The phenotype, the expression of the total genome of the individual organism is selected. Sanford: If the specific nucleotide sequence is a gene, then natural selection can indeed maintain it. Or not. And no real biologist suggests that natural selection creates genes, or alleles. That is done by mutation. I suspect a quote miner at work. Please cite Kimura. Too bad it didnt turn monkeys into humans at ICR. Mutation is more or less random. Selection is statistically non-random. Except for Protists, Poriferans, Cnidarians, et al. which dont have organs. As opposed to being poofed into existence? And so, science is a diabolical plot? It is actually simple. The better the visual acuity, the better the chance of survival. The successes remain, the failures are selected out. But the same gene may be expressed multiple times. Google homeobox gene or hox gene. Impossible? More impossible than talking snakes and magic trees? Have you heard of the psychological mechanism called projection? Thieves think everyone steals. Adulterers think everyone cheats. And liars think well you get the idea. Ah yes! The talking snake who gets blamed whenever a Christian gets caught. (The devil made me do it!) You would know. Oh no! He has discovered the EAC! I am going to go microwave a kitten! That always makes me feel better. :wave: [/QUOTE]
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