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<blockquote data-quote="Mike Elphick" data-source="post: 55140031" data-attributes="member: 250886"><p>In "embedded age" creation, AV style, there is no passage of time, only the ultimate state of possessing age. Unfortunately, AV deceives himself with his war cry "age without history!" &#8212; as has been repeatedly pointed out by others:-</p><p> </p><p>1. It is clear that the Earth actually abounds in history extending back at least hundreds of millions of years.</p><p> </p><p>2. He cannot explain why there are variations in the ages of rocks and why the oldest sedimentary rock layers are found beneath younger layers.</p><p></p><p>If the oldest rocks on Earth are 4.6 billion years old, why do we find rocks with intermediate ranges? Why is it that the least developed fossils belong to the oldest fossil-bearing rock layers? </p><p></p><p><img src="http://farm1.static.flickr.com/110/296596327_56ccd1d8ab.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p>In an "embedded age" scenario, let's say this slug represents light. It travelled the two yards from A to B (arrowed) in no time at all, but when measurements are made (knowing the distance and speed of slug travel) the time "embedded" seems to be four hours. AV claims that God created the universe such that we can today see ancient starlight and can measure vast cosmic distances, but that the universe only has an 'existential' age of a few thousand years. So our slug didn't "travel", it came into existence "travelled". However, what AV is doing is effectively ignoring the obvious slime trail.</p><p></p><p>Let's take Carbon-14 dating. The basis for Carbon-dating depends on neutrons, generated from cosmic ray interactions in the upper atmosphere, being captured by Nitrogen-14 to form the unstable radioactive isotope Carbon-14, which has a half-life of 5730 years. The important point here is the constancy of its formation in the atmosphere &#8212; so many units per unit of time &#8212; and its constancy of degeneration. As soon as a Carbon-14 atom is incorporated into an organism it represents an historical point in time, which is no different from a point in the slug's slime trail.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mike Elphick, post: 55140031, member: 250886"] In "embedded age" creation, AV style, there is no passage of time, only the ultimate state of possessing age. Unfortunately, AV deceives himself with his war cry "age without history!" — as has been repeatedly pointed out by others:- 1. It is clear that the Earth actually abounds in history extending back at least hundreds of millions of years. 2. He cannot explain why there are variations in the ages of rocks and why the oldest sedimentary rock layers are found beneath younger layers. If the oldest rocks on Earth are 4.6 billion years old, why do we find rocks with intermediate ranges? Why is it that the least developed fossils belong to the oldest fossil-bearing rock layers? [img]http://farm1.static.flickr.com/110/296596327_56ccd1d8ab.jpg[/img] In an "embedded age" scenario, let's say this slug represents light. It travelled the two yards from A to B (arrowed) in no time at all, but when measurements are made (knowing the distance and speed of slug travel) the time "embedded" seems to be four hours. AV claims that God created the universe such that we can today see ancient starlight and can measure vast cosmic distances, but that the universe only has an 'existential' age of a few thousand years. So our slug didn't "travel", it came into existence "travelled". However, what AV is doing is effectively ignoring the obvious slime trail. Let's take Carbon-14 dating. The basis for Carbon-dating depends on neutrons, generated from cosmic ray interactions in the upper atmosphere, being captured by Nitrogen-14 to form the unstable radioactive isotope Carbon-14, which has a half-life of 5730 years. The important point here is the constancy of its formation in the atmosphere — so many units per unit of time — and its constancy of degeneration. As soon as a Carbon-14 atom is incorporated into an organism it represents an historical point in time, which is no different from a point in the slug's slime trail. [/QUOTE]
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