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<blockquote data-quote="ThatRobGuy" data-source="post: 65316281" data-attributes="member: 123415"><p>I don't see how we can even determine the rarity since the only metric we have is confirmed cases where fraud does happen...like any form of fraud, there's going to be more of it that doesn't get noticed than cases that actually get caught.</p><p></p><p>...it's one of those things that could be happening a lot more frequently than we think. Much like driving without a license. Sure, the occasional person will get caught doing it, but it's "rare" in terms of the frequency of people getting caught doing it...however, in reality, it happens a lot (I've had friends & family that have driven without a license for months at a time without ever getting caught...and so it happened, but no statistical data would ever show that it did).</p><p></p><p>The thing I don't understand is this, there seems to be a lot of "wanting it both ways" coming from both sides of the political spectrum on this issue...you have some republicans who absolutely oppose having to show identification for certain things, but seem to be demanding it for voting...and on the other hand, you have liberals who typically demand special licensing and identification for certain other rights, but don't seem to feel it's that important for voting. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite5" alt=":confused:" title="Confused :confused:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":confused:" /></p><p></p><p>I see a lot of voting manipulation coming from both major political parties...you have one party stirring the pot and telling certain communities "they're suppressing your votes"...much like the two Ohio politicians who decided to take a case where 30,000 illegal votes were thrown out (votes from people who weren't registered), and twist that into "look, the evil republican judge is throwing out your votes, us Democrats will fight for you <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite234" alt=":thumbsup:" title="Thumbs Up :thumbsup:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":thumbsup:" />" (essentially, a shallow attempt to build loyalty...which unfortunately is working)</p><p></p><p>...and on the other side of that, rather than calling out Democrats on their BS (publically), Republicans are trying to counter it with changes to absentee and weekend voting laws which makes them come across looking like jerks...</p><p></p><p>For me personally, if you're going to have a system that involves every person getting one vote, I have no problem with a person having to show ID to prove they are who they say they are...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThatRobGuy, post: 65316281, member: 123415"] I don't see how we can even determine the rarity since the only metric we have is confirmed cases where fraud does happen...like any form of fraud, there's going to be more of it that doesn't get noticed than cases that actually get caught. ...it's one of those things that could be happening a lot more frequently than we think. Much like driving without a license. Sure, the occasional person will get caught doing it, but it's "rare" in terms of the frequency of people getting caught doing it...however, in reality, it happens a lot (I've had friends & family that have driven without a license for months at a time without ever getting caught...and so it happened, but no statistical data would ever show that it did). The thing I don't understand is this, there seems to be a lot of "wanting it both ways" coming from both sides of the political spectrum on this issue...you have some republicans who absolutely oppose having to show identification for certain things, but seem to be demanding it for voting...and on the other hand, you have liberals who typically demand special licensing and identification for certain other rights, but don't seem to feel it's that important for voting. :confused::confused: I see a lot of voting manipulation coming from both major political parties...you have one party stirring the pot and telling certain communities "they're suppressing your votes"...much like the two Ohio politicians who decided to take a case where 30,000 illegal votes were thrown out (votes from people who weren't registered), and twist that into "look, the evil republican judge is throwing out your votes, us Democrats will fight for you :thumbsup:" (essentially, a shallow attempt to build loyalty...which unfortunately is working) ...and on the other side of that, rather than calling out Democrats on their BS (publically), Republicans are trying to counter it with changes to absentee and weekend voting laws which makes them come across looking like jerks... For me personally, if you're going to have a system that involves every person getting one vote, I have no problem with a person having to show ID to prove they are who they say they are... [/QUOTE]
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