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Struggles by Non-Christians
Is god willing to prevent evil but not able to?
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<blockquote data-quote="DwarfJuggler" data-source="post: 55499353" data-attributes="member: 267455"><p>So are you claiming god went to sodom and told them to stop? Or his followers. I don't recall it mentioning it when I read the passages. But supposing it's true. Why are all gay men and woman not being burnt alive as back then? Or was that gay especially gay? and needed to be dealt with instantaneous?</p><p></p><p>Also an interesting notion Adam and Eve. A lot of priests, bishops, and even some popes are claiming that it's more metaphorical as the evidence of evolution is further showing the implications of an Adam and Eve scenario invalid. (And while I know Christians and Catholics like to butt heads the evidence isn't only directed at their biblical text.)</p><p></p><p>Now whether you believe it or not is your choosing I suppose. But seeing as we have actual evidence documenting the process we took via evolution I would question if you have not *finds wording* "stopped your ears and hardened your heart against it." Evolution is directly challenging the creation story of the bible. Where as yours is based on blind faith that science is wrong (science that your god apparently made mind you.) Ours is based on factual evidence. People, mainly theists... get caught up in the word "Theory" and apply the incorrect definition as when it's used. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Helenza I'm sorry I don't know what you want me to respond there <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> I did read it though. I suppose I'm just trying to point out the gaps in the logic of the bible. God is loving, but kills mercilessly. Stuff like that. If it's regarding the rules of the forum, I would admit I didn't actually read them. And If what I'm doing, questioning faith, is against said rules please by all means ban/get me banned. I'm aware questioning someones world views and trying to assert the logic of science and our "form" of reasoning is a douche of an act. I merely view it more as trying to persuade friends/neighbors not to dump their trust and money into the idea that some psychic can talk with their dead dog from *epic sounding voice* Beyond. If you knew and could see they're being manipulated and led on by the psychic you'd probably want to stop them from going there. And they will fight you tooth and nail against stopping as well.</p><p></p><p>As for manipulation... Why do you believe... or rather why do you not believe? Because it will mean you are going to hell otherwise. Some people question the bible and whether it was modified or not like myself, but still seem to believe in it in fear that otherwise they'd go to hell if it were true. The fear of hell locks people into their convictions. Just like on various other forums when people ask god to smite them down and a theists says "I dare you to say that to Satan and worship him." As if this would some how make the supernatural entity do anything more than not show his existence. I'm actually 3 days in to my apparent smiting from both god and Satan, someone on you tube said that we'd be killed if we asked Satan to do it for us.. Giving him a week. If I'm not dead then someone clearly wasn't annoyed enough at me calling him a chicken.</p><p></p><p>All and all if you were to look at this in the realm of human. And not look at any of these supernatural beliefs. And see how they're being manipulated you would probably want to help them break out of it. I'm not sure if you're the kind of people who follow the whole give your money to the church mindset that I think the bible mentions... But supposing you are then you're wasting money on top of being manipulated. And would be even more reason to want to break out of the self induced hypnotic state.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DwarfJuggler, post: 55499353, member: 267455"] So are you claiming god went to sodom and told them to stop? Or his followers. I don't recall it mentioning it when I read the passages. But supposing it's true. Why are all gay men and woman not being burnt alive as back then? Or was that gay especially gay? and needed to be dealt with instantaneous? Also an interesting notion Adam and Eve. A lot of priests, bishops, and even some popes are claiming that it's more metaphorical as the evidence of evolution is further showing the implications of an Adam and Eve scenario invalid. (And while I know Christians and Catholics like to butt heads the evidence isn't only directed at their biblical text.) Now whether you believe it or not is your choosing I suppose. But seeing as we have actual evidence documenting the process we took via evolution I would question if you have not *finds wording* "stopped your ears and hardened your heart against it." Evolution is directly challenging the creation story of the bible. Where as yours is based on blind faith that science is wrong (science that your god apparently made mind you.) Ours is based on factual evidence. People, mainly theists... get caught up in the word "Theory" and apply the incorrect definition as when it's used. Helenza I'm sorry I don't know what you want me to respond there :P I did read it though. I suppose I'm just trying to point out the gaps in the logic of the bible. God is loving, but kills mercilessly. Stuff like that. If it's regarding the rules of the forum, I would admit I didn't actually read them. And If what I'm doing, questioning faith, is against said rules please by all means ban/get me banned. I'm aware questioning someones world views and trying to assert the logic of science and our "form" of reasoning is a douche of an act. I merely view it more as trying to persuade friends/neighbors not to dump their trust and money into the idea that some psychic can talk with their dead dog from *epic sounding voice* Beyond. If you knew and could see they're being manipulated and led on by the psychic you'd probably want to stop them from going there. And they will fight you tooth and nail against stopping as well. As for manipulation... Why do you believe... or rather why do you not believe? Because it will mean you are going to hell otherwise. Some people question the bible and whether it was modified or not like myself, but still seem to believe in it in fear that otherwise they'd go to hell if it were true. The fear of hell locks people into their convictions. Just like on various other forums when people ask god to smite them down and a theists says "I dare you to say that to Satan and worship him." As if this would some how make the supernatural entity do anything more than not show his existence. I'm actually 3 days in to my apparent smiting from both god and Satan, someone on you tube said that we'd be killed if we asked Satan to do it for us.. Giving him a week. If I'm not dead then someone clearly wasn't annoyed enough at me calling him a chicken. All and all if you were to look at this in the realm of human. And not look at any of these supernatural beliefs. And see how they're being manipulated you would probably want to help them break out of it. I'm not sure if you're the kind of people who follow the whole give your money to the church mindset that I think the bible mentions... But supposing you are then you're wasting money on top of being manipulated. And would be even more reason to want to break out of the self induced hypnotic state. [/QUOTE]
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