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Intelligent Design/Fine Tuning Question
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<blockquote data-quote="Question.Everything" data-source="post: 60791928"><p>I'm still a bit confused, as my understanding is that physical laws and logic go hand-in-hand...not that logic dictates the physical laws. This indeed is why I said if you change our physics, you change the logic as well. The logic is still universal in this aspect.</p><p></p><p>What I am saying is that if you did tweak the physical laws, logic would have to change. But you can't 'tweak' logic and make the physics of the universe change, because logic is non-physical and not actually real like physics is. It's just a description.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I suppose what I just said kind of conflicts with my statement that logic is an entity. If tweaking the physics changes logic, is logic not dependent on physics? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I still don't know where it originates, I'd contend only that it originated at the point that the physical laws of our universe originated.</p><p></p><p>I think we're taking a step back because of my mis-step in conceding that logic is a nonphysical entity. To me it still seems like more of a description of how the material world operates, not a force behind how it operates. That being said, I'm not sure if there is anything in this universe non-material. Thoughts come to mind, but technology is allowing us to actually see visualizations of peoples' thoughts through brain scanning; suggesting that even thoughts are material.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Question.Everything, post: 60791928"] I'm still a bit confused, as my understanding is that physical laws and logic go hand-in-hand...not that logic dictates the physical laws. This indeed is why I said if you change our physics, you change the logic as well. The logic is still universal in this aspect. What I am saying is that if you did tweak the physical laws, logic would have to change. But you can't 'tweak' logic and make the physics of the universe change, because logic is non-physical and not actually real like physics is. It's just a description. I suppose what I just said kind of conflicts with my statement that logic is an entity. If tweaking the physics changes logic, is logic not dependent on physics? I still don't know where it originates, I'd contend only that it originated at the point that the physical laws of our universe originated. I think we're taking a step back because of my mis-step in conceding that logic is a nonphysical entity. To me it still seems like more of a description of how the material world operates, not a force behind how it operates. That being said, I'm not sure if there is anything in this universe non-material. Thoughts come to mind, but technology is allowing us to actually see visualizations of peoples' thoughts through brain scanning; suggesting that even thoughts are material. [/QUOTE]
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