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I believe God is fair and just, but I still have questions about the Lake of Fire.
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<blockquote data-quote="food4thought" data-source="post: 69277664" data-attributes="member: 3467"><p>I hope you don't mind if I use your post as a jumping off point for trying to help MrDesire to understand, Edmond.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In some translations Hades in Revelation 20:13 is mistranslated "hell", so that may be where he got the idea. MrDesire, hades is the temporary holding place for the unsaved dead until the final judgment spoken of in Revelation 20. Hades may be hellish, but it is not the final place of the unsaved. The lake of fire is the imagery used to describe hell in Revelation, not hades.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Good points for you here MrDesire, you would be wise to carefully consider what Edmond is saying. I do not think hell is literally a place where people are tortured by undead worms and eternal flames and darkness in a burning heap of gross trash... but I do believe that the imagery used to describe hell is meant to inspire primal feelings of horror and revulsion in us, because the spiritual reality is terrible enough to inspire similar sentiment in heavenly beings.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, Edmond is spot on. There are numerous Bible passages that indicate salvation is for all who will believe, not only a select few... sadly, there are multitudes who will not place their faith in Jesus, so salvation is sufficient for all, but only effective for those that receive the message and place their faith in Jesus.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>On this I must disagree with Edmond, for the Bible does speak of predestination. I believe that God predestined those whom He "foreknew" (as the Bible says), IOW, those whom He knew beforehand would receive Him. The Calvinist view of predestination does not take into account all that God's word says about salvation, but only cherry picks certain verses that support their understanding, while ignoring or minimizing those verses that do not.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You did not really pay attention to Edmond's post, or you are being sarcastic... hard to tell which, but Edmond pointed out that lustful thoughts and actions outside of marriage are strictly forbidden, so child molestation would fall under that heading.</p><p></p><p>I hope this helps, MrDesire.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="food4thought, post: 69277664, member: 3467"] I hope you don't mind if I use your post as a jumping off point for trying to help MrDesire to understand, Edmond. In some translations Hades in Revelation 20:13 is mistranslated "hell", so that may be where he got the idea. MrDesire, hades is the temporary holding place for the unsaved dead until the final judgment spoken of in Revelation 20. Hades may be hellish, but it is not the final place of the unsaved. The lake of fire is the imagery used to describe hell in Revelation, not hades. Good points for you here MrDesire, you would be wise to carefully consider what Edmond is saying. I do not think hell is literally a place where people are tortured by undead worms and eternal flames and darkness in a burning heap of gross trash... but I do believe that the imagery used to describe hell is meant to inspire primal feelings of horror and revulsion in us, because the spiritual reality is terrible enough to inspire similar sentiment in heavenly beings. Again, Edmond is spot on. There are numerous Bible passages that indicate salvation is for all who will believe, not only a select few... sadly, there are multitudes who will not place their faith in Jesus, so salvation is sufficient for all, but only effective for those that receive the message and place their faith in Jesus. On this I must disagree with Edmond, for the Bible does speak of predestination. I believe that God predestined those whom He "foreknew" (as the Bible says), IOW, those whom He knew beforehand would receive Him. The Calvinist view of predestination does not take into account all that God's word says about salvation, but only cherry picks certain verses that support their understanding, while ignoring or minimizing those verses that do not. You did not really pay attention to Edmond's post, or you are being sarcastic... hard to tell which, but Edmond pointed out that lustful thoughts and actions outside of marriage are strictly forbidden, so child molestation would fall under that heading. I hope this helps, MrDesire. [/QUOTE]
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