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<blockquote data-quote="Sophrosyne" data-source="post: 76386888" data-attributes="member: 193127"><p>I agree that there is 2 separate genres but many CCM songs are also P&W songs while the opposite is often less true we see fewer P&W songs that are also CCM. Many groups make songs that fall in both categories even though they aren't necessarily targeting group worship. One could say CCM targets the individual's tastes while P&W is a group target. CCM was a sort of replacement of secular music competing with secular artists in the realm mostly of I believe lyrics and topic of songs while often using similar popular sounds as until it became very widespread and popular the competition was less with other Christian groups than with secular groups. As time progressed some Christian artists even had songs that crossed over like Amy Grant who later drifted more secular than Christian but did finally struggle to make her way back. I think making music that sounds like and competed with secular music back then had both advantages and problems in that it did get attention when artists had songs that did cross over but at a risk of the artists fame making them cross over and so dilute Jesus out of their songs that in doing so drifted away from God altogether for profit and fame. There was a balancing act to appeal to non believers in sound and even in lyrics without just making it a "feel good" song about good things that makes God all but invisible. In other words P&W music as about addressing God directly as the topic of the song while CCM can from mention God in a positive way all the way to also a P&W genre song. Many artists have mixed what I guess you can call concentration of God in their songs to range from being a personal type song to evangelism to P&W. </p><p></p><p>There is many other Christian Genres out there like Christian Rock, Christian Rap, and lately been hearing Christian country songs more and more on CCM type stations. Just about any secular Genre now has a Christian group that essentially is the same sounding but Christ centered. As I have a lot of CCM I think it could be considered more along the lines of pop music in the 70s and 80s and such rather a wide blanket label that covers a bunch of stuff that often has music and groups that are also other genres that also are Christian.</p><p>Many groups that started in the CCM genre era have their own distinctive sounds that also can be other genres but I think that in the early days there was Gospel, Praise and Worship and then everything else and the everything else got grouped under CCM for the most part because it was somewhat a minority of the music out there for Christians. I think the CCM label these days is more generic and too wide of a scope to really be genre that defines what music it covers.</p><p></p><p>I think that todays P&W and Gospel music have been influenced by CCM genre groups and that they also have been influenced by the more evangelistic nature and more message centered of P&W and Gospel music.</p><p>In other words as time progressed from the 80s and 90s the concentration and quality of Christian music in general has blurred the distinct genres in one fashion but also created a market/audience for more distinct genres also. </p><p></p><p>Yeah, I know this is rambling but I truly am thankful for CCM music as when I was backslid from my childhood and essentially lost to the world CCM music had a great appeal to me as in 90s the popular music started changing and I found that Christian music even without the Gospel message oozing from every word brought peace and uplifted me for years and years I didn't want to give my life up to God (again) but I was drawn to the music that has kept me sane but what I believe the Holy Spirit drawing me back to him through music (CCM).</p><p></p><p>I have a lot of songs on my phone now as I've collected hundreds of CDs used at thrift stores and flea markets over the decades and stream them along with my 70s and 80s secular stuff and surprisingly my high rated/favorite song have more Christian than secular artists. I do like Christian music but a lot of CCM artists and songs that I have do sort of sound like the others while a few stand out as either sounding like some secular groups or their own unique sound. One group that I like that is very interesting in scope is TobyMac. I'm not into rap as a genre at all and some of his songs are bleh as they are totally rap (I call crap music) while mixing some rapping in a decent song doesn't necessarily make it less likeable to me at all if done right can make it appealing for the uniqueness. </p><p></p><p>As I went almost entirely to Christian music from the 90s and beyond as hip hop and trance and other cookie cutter music and too many sound alikes continued I lost interest in listening to new music of secular artists and found that many Christian artists and groups have experimented with new ideas and sound in their songs. In other words the Christian music market while not nearly as encompassing as secular is pretty robust now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sophrosyne, post: 76386888, member: 193127"] I agree that there is 2 separate genres but many CCM songs are also P&W songs while the opposite is often less true we see fewer P&W songs that are also CCM. Many groups make songs that fall in both categories even though they aren't necessarily targeting group worship. One could say CCM targets the individual's tastes while P&W is a group target. CCM was a sort of replacement of secular music competing with secular artists in the realm mostly of I believe lyrics and topic of songs while often using similar popular sounds as until it became very widespread and popular the competition was less with other Christian groups than with secular groups. As time progressed some Christian artists even had songs that crossed over like Amy Grant who later drifted more secular than Christian but did finally struggle to make her way back. I think making music that sounds like and competed with secular music back then had both advantages and problems in that it did get attention when artists had songs that did cross over but at a risk of the artists fame making them cross over and so dilute Jesus out of their songs that in doing so drifted away from God altogether for profit and fame. There was a balancing act to appeal to non believers in sound and even in lyrics without just making it a "feel good" song about good things that makes God all but invisible. In other words P&W music as about addressing God directly as the topic of the song while CCM can from mention God in a positive way all the way to also a P&W genre song. Many artists have mixed what I guess you can call concentration of God in their songs to range from being a personal type song to evangelism to P&W. There is many other Christian Genres out there like Christian Rock, Christian Rap, and lately been hearing Christian country songs more and more on CCM type stations. Just about any secular Genre now has a Christian group that essentially is the same sounding but Christ centered. As I have a lot of CCM I think it could be considered more along the lines of pop music in the 70s and 80s and such rather a wide blanket label that covers a bunch of stuff that often has music and groups that are also other genres that also are Christian. Many groups that started in the CCM genre era have their own distinctive sounds that also can be other genres but I think that in the early days there was Gospel, Praise and Worship and then everything else and the everything else got grouped under CCM for the most part because it was somewhat a minority of the music out there for Christians. I think the CCM label these days is more generic and too wide of a scope to really be genre that defines what music it covers. I think that todays P&W and Gospel music have been influenced by CCM genre groups and that they also have been influenced by the more evangelistic nature and more message centered of P&W and Gospel music. In other words as time progressed from the 80s and 90s the concentration and quality of Christian music in general has blurred the distinct genres in one fashion but also created a market/audience for more distinct genres also. Yeah, I know this is rambling but I truly am thankful for CCM music as when I was backslid from my childhood and essentially lost to the world CCM music had a great appeal to me as in 90s the popular music started changing and I found that Christian music even without the Gospel message oozing from every word brought peace and uplifted me for years and years I didn't want to give my life up to God (again) but I was drawn to the music that has kept me sane but what I believe the Holy Spirit drawing me back to him through music (CCM). I have a lot of songs on my phone now as I've collected hundreds of CDs used at thrift stores and flea markets over the decades and stream them along with my 70s and 80s secular stuff and surprisingly my high rated/favorite song have more Christian than secular artists. I do like Christian music but a lot of CCM artists and songs that I have do sort of sound like the others while a few stand out as either sounding like some secular groups or their own unique sound. One group that I like that is very interesting in scope is TobyMac. I'm not into rap as a genre at all and some of his songs are bleh as they are totally rap (I call crap music) while mixing some rapping in a decent song doesn't necessarily make it less likeable to me at all if done right can make it appealing for the uniqueness. As I went almost entirely to Christian music from the 90s and beyond as hip hop and trance and other cookie cutter music and too many sound alikes continued I lost interest in listening to new music of secular artists and found that many Christian artists and groups have experimented with new ideas and sound in their songs. In other words the Christian music market while not nearly as encompassing as secular is pretty robust now. [/QUOTE]
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