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<blockquote data-quote="drich0150" data-source="post: 55589344" data-attributes="member: 218229"><p>How do we "Know" That the world was created from "star dust?" Aren't Stars big balls of fire? Has anyone been able to collect Star dust? How do we know what is left over after a supernova? Has anyone witnessed one? Have we collected samples from one? How do we know that the molecular structure of "Star dust" does not change any of the course of billions of years?</p><p> </p><p>Do you get the point I am trying to make? or should I continue? Their are alot of assumptions and faith in any version of creation you choose to believe in. For instance the age of the earth was not set in scripture, it was simply deduced by the genealogies found in scripture. We assume that the records are complete and that the ages of the men recorded were counted in the same way our ages are.</p><p> </p><p>Faith is apart of any belief, because truthfully no one really knows. Just like a few hundred years ago science knew the earth was flat, and that the sun revolved around the earth. To the people who lived their at the time These facts were considered truths. But know we can see them for what they were. Statements of faith based on the available evidence. Which in essence is what any theory really is. No matter how popular it is to believe it.</p><p>So if all things are equal then it only boils down to a matter of preference as to which account of creation you want to subscribe to.</p><p> </p><p>I say that to say that God is not an academic activity to be conquered. You will not be able to compare or construct a belief in God the same way as you would with belief in science. Science is constructed to separate itself from the type of faith it takes to believe in God. Scientific "faith" heavily depends on the perception of the tangible. Faith in God depends on one's willingness to seek and accept what is currently beyond one's understandings. Their is Proof to be found, but it is not the irrefutable proof that scientists want. But to the one who seeks that proof it is enough for them. I like to think of it as personalized proof tailored just for you.</p><p> </p><p>This is supported by Luke 11:</p><p><strong>5</strong>Then he said to them, "Suppose one of you has a friend, and he goes to him at midnight and says, 'Friend, lend me three loaves of bread, <strong>6</strong>because a friend of mine on a journey has come to me, and I have nothing to set before him.' </p><p></p><p> <strong>7</strong>"Then the one inside answers, 'Don't bother me. The door is already locked, and my children are with me in bed. I can't get up and give you anything.' <strong>8</strong>I tell you, though he will not get up and give him the bread because he is his friend, yet because of the man's boldness[<a href="http://www.christianforums.com/#fen-NIV-25406e" target="_blank">e</a>] he will get up and give him as much as he needs. </p><p> <strong>9</strong>"So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. <strong>10</strong>For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. <strong>11</strong>"Which of you fathers, if your son asks for[<a href="http://www.christianforums.com/#fen-NIV-25409f" target="_blank">f</a>] a fish, will give him a snake instead? <strong>12</strong>Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? <strong>13</strong>If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"</p><p> </p><p>We <strong>Ask</strong> Through Prayer</p><p> </p><p>We <strong>Seek</strong> in places like this forum, and in the bible</p><p> </p><p>We <strong>Knock</strong> by repeating this process till we get what our heart truly wants.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="drich0150, post: 55589344, member: 218229"] How do we "Know" That the world was created from "star dust?" Aren't Stars big balls of fire? Has anyone been able to collect Star dust? How do we know what is left over after a supernova? Has anyone witnessed one? Have we collected samples from one? How do we know that the molecular structure of "Star dust" does not change any of the course of billions of years? Do you get the point I am trying to make? or should I continue? Their are alot of assumptions and faith in any version of creation you choose to believe in. For instance the age of the earth was not set in scripture, it was simply deduced by the genealogies found in scripture. We assume that the records are complete and that the ages of the men recorded were counted in the same way our ages are. Faith is apart of any belief, because truthfully no one really knows. Just like a few hundred years ago science knew the earth was flat, and that the sun revolved around the earth. To the people who lived their at the time These facts were considered truths. But know we can see them for what they were. Statements of faith based on the available evidence. Which in essence is what any theory really is. No matter how popular it is to believe it. So if all things are equal then it only boils down to a matter of preference as to which account of creation you want to subscribe to. I say that to say that God is not an academic activity to be conquered. You will not be able to compare or construct a belief in God the same way as you would with belief in science. Science is constructed to separate itself from the type of faith it takes to believe in God. Scientific "faith" heavily depends on the perception of the tangible. Faith in God depends on one's willingness to seek and accept what is currently beyond one's understandings. Their is Proof to be found, but it is not the irrefutable proof that scientists want. But to the one who seeks that proof it is enough for them. I like to think of it as personalized proof tailored just for you. This is supported by Luke 11: [B]5[/B]Then he said to them, "Suppose one of you has a friend, and he goes to him at midnight and says, 'Friend, lend me three loaves of bread, [B]6[/B]because a friend of mine on a journey has come to me, and I have nothing to set before him.' [B]7[/B]"Then the one inside answers, 'Don't bother me. The door is already locked, and my children are with me in bed. I can't get up and give you anything.' [B]8[/B]I tell you, though he will not get up and give him the bread because he is his friend, yet because of the man's boldness[[URL="http://www.christianforums.com/#fen-NIV-25406e"]e[/URL]] he will get up and give him as much as he needs. [B]9[/B]"So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. [B]10[/B]For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. [B]11[/B]"Which of you fathers, if your son asks for[[URL="http://www.christianforums.com/#fen-NIV-25409f"]f[/URL]] a fish, will give him a snake instead? [B]12[/B]Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? [B]13[/B]If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" We [B]Ask[/B] Through Prayer We [B]Seek[/B] in places like this forum, and in the bible We [B]Knock[/B] by repeating this process till we get what our heart truly wants. [/QUOTE]
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