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German 'hypervaccinator' gets 217 coronavirus shots; researchers find no ill effects, good immune response
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<blockquote data-quote="ThatRobGuy" data-source="post: 77649057" data-attributes="member: 123415"><p>I feel like I've become rather skeptical about the internet anecdotes from either end of these types of conversations.</p><p></p><p>In the CF/internet sphere</p><p>It seems like some people on the anti-vaxxer side always seem to know 10 different people who supposedly died or had a super serious reaction from the vaccine.</p><p></p><p>It seems like people who want to go at it from the other perspective always seem to know 10 different people who died of covid and another 20 who supposedly have long-covid.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yet that's wildly out of sorts with what I hear when talking to people out in the real world.</p><p></p><p>I know exactly 0 people who died from the vaccine (maybe only a small who said they had some minor aches and fatigue after dose #2)</p><p></p><p>As far as the virus itself, I think I had one elderly relative who got hospitalized with the virus. And out of my entire circle of friends & co-workers, maybe 1 or 2 mentioned they had a family member who died from it?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Obviously it was a serious virus that should've been handled better than what it was, but if the internet anecdotes from CF and other online circles are true (or were in any way reflective of the mortality rates we know), that doesn't seem to gel with the overall statistics and probabilities.</p><p></p><p></p><p>For example, we know there were roughly a quarter of a million car crash fatalities in the US from 2020 until now. If a person said "Well, I had 3 aunts, a brother, 2 co-workers, and 2 friends who all died in different car crashes over the past 4 years, people would be very suspicious of such anecdotes. Because, despite being mathematically possible, the odds would be improbable.</p><p></p><p></p><p>In terms of the raw numbers:</p><p>Covid: 1 million people have died out of a population of 330 million. (1 person per every 330 people)</p><p>Vaccines: Adverse reaction rate of 0.4%. (1 person out of every 250 people) (the death rate from said adverse reactions is vanishingly smaller)</p><p></p><p></p><p>The "Dunbar Number" which measures how big a person's social circle can be (including friends, co-workers, and family) would indicate that the overwhelming majority of people are in the range of having a social circle that's in the ballpark of 100-150. (That's based on what psychologists and psychiatrists feel the <em>cognitive upper limit</em> is for how many people a person can have a close relationship with or deep connection to)</p><p></p><p>So based on that, and the odds mentioned above, it's highly improbable that any one person lost 7+ people close them to either the virus or the vaccine...barring some extremely rare scenario like having 7 elderly relatives all living in the same wing of the same nursing home or something like that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThatRobGuy, post: 77649057, member: 123415"] I feel like I've become rather skeptical about the internet anecdotes from either end of these types of conversations. In the CF/internet sphere It seems like some people on the anti-vaxxer side always seem to know 10 different people who supposedly died or had a super serious reaction from the vaccine. It seems like people who want to go at it from the other perspective always seem to know 10 different people who died of covid and another 20 who supposedly have long-covid. Yet that's wildly out of sorts with what I hear when talking to people out in the real world. I know exactly 0 people who died from the vaccine (maybe only a small who said they had some minor aches and fatigue after dose #2) As far as the virus itself, I think I had one elderly relative who got hospitalized with the virus. And out of my entire circle of friends & co-workers, maybe 1 or 2 mentioned they had a family member who died from it? Obviously it was a serious virus that should've been handled better than what it was, but if the internet anecdotes from CF and other online circles are true (or were in any way reflective of the mortality rates we know), that doesn't seem to gel with the overall statistics and probabilities. For example, we know there were roughly a quarter of a million car crash fatalities in the US from 2020 until now. If a person said "Well, I had 3 aunts, a brother, 2 co-workers, and 2 friends who all died in different car crashes over the past 4 years, people would be very suspicious of such anecdotes. Because, despite being mathematically possible, the odds would be improbable. In terms of the raw numbers: Covid: 1 million people have died out of a population of 330 million. (1 person per every 330 people) Vaccines: Adverse reaction rate of 0.4%. (1 person out of every 250 people) (the death rate from said adverse reactions is vanishingly smaller) The "Dunbar Number" which measures how big a person's social circle can be (including friends, co-workers, and family) would indicate that the overwhelming majority of people are in the range of having a social circle that's in the ballpark of 100-150. (That's based on what psychologists and psychiatrists feel the [I]cognitive upper limit[/I] is for how many people a person can have a close relationship with or deep connection to) So based on that, and the odds mentioned above, it's highly improbable that any one person lost 7+ people close them to either the virus or the vaccine...barring some extremely rare scenario like having 7 elderly relatives all living in the same wing of the same nursing home or something like that. [/QUOTE]
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