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<blockquote data-quote="Gumph" data-source="post: 73427446" data-attributes="member: 358578"><p>I think Christians cover a wide variety of characters, but I doubt the vast majority are on a par with those shady characters. The analogy is just there to show my point. I could use doctors, politicians, priests or teachers as examples if need be, where we could find instances of these people telling false truths - intentionally or otherwise. Its not the default setting, that would be counter productive, but it certainly happens often enough to be cautious about it. Yes, I have lied before.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course they are. The challenge is in determining when they are not doing so.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, I agree with the Bible on this point. Its the whole reason I don't trust the validity of the Bible yet.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Sorry, you have lost me here. I have no idea what you are trying to say here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Indeed they could, and should. I could then show them by doing it again or doing it to them or a 3rd party.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sorry, but I have lost the line of this particular argument amongst the many quotes and replies in this now lengthy thread. I do apologise. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because we only get one chance, one life. It appears to be far more important to us than to him. Does he not owe us that minor courtesy?</p><p></p><p>A now ancient book written by fallible humans is sufficient? I have a great problem with that and continue my search for an alternative.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well I don't know much about philosophy, but objective standards used by science and criminal law would be most acceptable to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Perhaps, but the more that is at play (and at stake), the better the evidence should be. And more numerous I should add. A single book? - even if it a collection of scripts.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The 2 billion or so Christians out of the 7 billion or so inhabitants of this planet. That ratio put on a 12 man jury leaves us with a mere 4 or less jurors who are convinced. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Would you not be concerned if as a high school teacher, you were getting the same pass rates as him? Should the methods being used not be re-evaluated?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gumph, post: 73427446, member: 358578"] I think Christians cover a wide variety of characters, but I doubt the vast majority are on a par with those shady characters. The analogy is just there to show my point. I could use doctors, politicians, priests or teachers as examples if need be, where we could find instances of these people telling false truths - intentionally or otherwise. Its not the default setting, that would be counter productive, but it certainly happens often enough to be cautious about it. Yes, I have lied before. Of course they are. The challenge is in determining when they are not doing so. No, I agree with the Bible on this point. Its the whole reason I don't trust the validity of the Bible yet. Sorry, you have lost me here. I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Indeed they could, and should. I could then show them by doing it again or doing it to them or a 3rd party. Sorry, but I have lost the line of this particular argument amongst the many quotes and replies in this now lengthy thread. I do apologise. Because we only get one chance, one life. It appears to be far more important to us than to him. Does he not owe us that minor courtesy? A now ancient book written by fallible humans is sufficient? I have a great problem with that and continue my search for an alternative. Well I don't know much about philosophy, but objective standards used by science and criminal law would be most acceptable to me. Perhaps, but the more that is at play (and at stake), the better the evidence should be. And more numerous I should add. A single book? - even if it a collection of scripts. The 2 billion or so Christians out of the 7 billion or so inhabitants of this planet. That ratio put on a 12 man jury leaves us with a mere 4 or less jurors who are convinced. Would you not be concerned if as a high school teacher, you were getting the same pass rates as him? Should the methods being used not be re-evaluated? [/QUOTE]
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