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<blockquote data-quote="TeddyReceptus" data-source="post: 61021770"><p>Except I can usually provide historical context and counterpoints to the Right's stuff.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I won't agree to disagree with groups who want to tell me about how horrible Obama is and fail to understand that there's really nothing "new" here. </p><p> </p><p>The whole point of my post was to show that this thinking goes back a LONG time. Obama didn't just jump on the scene with all these "Anti-American" diatribes. In point of fact, arguably, one of our most "American" of presidents, Teddy Roosevelt had already discussed this so long ago that the Conservatives among us seem to have completely missed it.</p><p> </p><p>It was just as true then as it is now. Read Obama's point in context. And I'm giving you the historical context.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>This is a reasonable demand. But it sure would be nice if certain people on here would spend a bit more time before posting their anti-Obama and anti-UN diatribes. Unless one wishes to allow only the Right to lambaste then it is only fair to get push back from the left.</p><p> </p><p>I apologize for being harsh but I respect opinions founded at least marginally in fact, historical context and a broader understanding of the point.</p><p> </p><p>Obama's point is absolutely true. NONE OF US on her who have any success whatsoever did it on our own. We are great because we are a "WE" not an "I".</p><p> </p><p>America is a great country because <strong>we've</strong> made it great together. Romney got his advantages from a dad who was a CEO of a US auto manufacturer, he was governor of a US state, Romney got to go to U.S. ivy league college, Romney got to make his millions in a climate of stability and technological advancement precisely because of <strong>our</strong> country.</p><p> </p><p>NOT his. Not his daddy's. OUR country. </p><p> </p><p>He even got to strap his dog to the roof of his car and drive down <strong>PUBLIC HIGHWAYS</strong>. Not his own highways.</p><p> </p><p>As TR said: the reason successful people can be successful is often because they exist in a stable society that helps engender that success.</p><p> </p><p>If you want to go back even further let's see what a TRULY successful scientist said:</p><p> </p><p><strong>"If I have seen further it is by standing on ye sholders of Giants"</strong></p><p>-Isaac Newton, 1676</p><p> </p><p>(I'd bet my bottom dollar that Isaac Newton provided more for the world than any Mitt Romney one can find. And even <em>he</em> had the humility to see that it was not done in a vacuum.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TeddyReceptus, post: 61021770"] Except I can usually provide historical context and counterpoints to the Right's stuff. I won't agree to disagree with groups who want to tell me about how horrible Obama is and fail to understand that there's really nothing "new" here. The whole point of my post was to show that this thinking goes back a LONG time. Obama didn't just jump on the scene with all these "Anti-American" diatribes. In point of fact, arguably, one of our most "American" of presidents, Teddy Roosevelt had already discussed this so long ago that the Conservatives among us seem to have completely missed it. It was just as true then as it is now. Read Obama's point in context. And I'm giving you the historical context. This is a reasonable demand. But it sure would be nice if certain people on here would spend a bit more time before posting their anti-Obama and anti-UN diatribes. Unless one wishes to allow only the Right to lambaste then it is only fair to get push back from the left. I apologize for being harsh but I respect opinions founded at least marginally in fact, historical context and a broader understanding of the point. Obama's point is absolutely true. NONE OF US on her who have any success whatsoever did it on our own. We are great because we are a "WE" not an "I". America is a great country because [B]we've[/B] made it great together. Romney got his advantages from a dad who was a CEO of a US auto manufacturer, he was governor of a US state, Romney got to go to U.S. ivy league college, Romney got to make his millions in a climate of stability and technological advancement precisely because of [B]our[/B] country. NOT his. Not his daddy's. OUR country. He even got to strap his dog to the roof of his car and drive down [B]PUBLIC HIGHWAYS[/B]. Not his own highways. As TR said: the reason successful people can be successful is often because they exist in a stable society that helps engender that success. If you want to go back even further let's see what a TRULY successful scientist said: [B]"If I have seen further it is by standing on ye sholders of Giants"[/B] -Isaac Newton, 1676 (I'd bet my bottom dollar that Isaac Newton provided more for the world than any Mitt Romney one can find. And even [I]he[/I] had the humility to see that it was not done in a vacuum.) [/QUOTE]
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