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<blockquote data-quote="mindlight" data-source="post: 77207890" data-attributes="member: 21246"><p>I think you know that is not true. Requests for access must be formally given and justified and can be limited in scope. The various provisions of the Patriot Act sec 215, and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act sec 702 limit the scope and rationale for such surveillance. Given the stakes in the intelligence war with Russia, China, Iran and others this is a necessary intrusion. Snowden exposed sources and compromised necessary operations against foreign enemies of the USA and indeed the UK in a deliberate fashion and Teixeira did the same in an act of narcissistic stupidity. If the rules have now been tightened in response to the revelations of privacy violations made by Snowden then they have at the expense of security. Teixeira might have been picked up earlier in the pre-Snowden system. The fact of data collection is not as problematic as how that data is used. We are in a war with the aforementioned countries, even if it is not been formally declared and the stakes are often life and death. This is a question of whether we trust the US and UK intelligence services to do a better job protecting our physical freedoms than the Chinese or Russians or Iranians would do damage to them with access to the same information. I do not care if a few intelligence officials in the UK or USA have a few laughs at my expense I do care if my physical and free speech /worship freedoms and those of my family are curtailed by the kind of oppression that Chinese citizens endure.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All very well but clearly not enough in this case.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mindlight, post: 77207890, member: 21246"] I think you know that is not true. Requests for access must be formally given and justified and can be limited in scope. The various provisions of the Patriot Act sec 215, and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act sec 702 limit the scope and rationale for such surveillance. Given the stakes in the intelligence war with Russia, China, Iran and others this is a necessary intrusion. Snowden exposed sources and compromised necessary operations against foreign enemies of the USA and indeed the UK in a deliberate fashion and Teixeira did the same in an act of narcissistic stupidity. If the rules have now been tightened in response to the revelations of privacy violations made by Snowden then they have at the expense of security. Teixeira might have been picked up earlier in the pre-Snowden system. The fact of data collection is not as problematic as how that data is used. We are in a war with the aforementioned countries, even if it is not been formally declared and the stakes are often life and death. This is a question of whether we trust the US and UK intelligence services to do a better job protecting our physical freedoms than the Chinese or Russians or Iranians would do damage to them with access to the same information. I do not care if a few intelligence officials in the UK or USA have a few laughs at my expense I do care if my physical and free speech /worship freedoms and those of my family are curtailed by the kind of oppression that Chinese citizens endure. All very well but clearly not enough in this case. [/QUOTE]
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