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Coal has killed more than WW2 since 1970
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<blockquote data-quote="eclipsenow" data-source="post: 68518060" data-attributes="member: 274355"><p>I still fail to see any possible relevance to using coal as our main source of electricity.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Disagreed! France used to burn oil for electricity. Oil! Then the 1970's oil embargo shot the price up, and France realised energy was a national security matter. They deployed 75% of their grid as nuclear in under 20 years. THREE QUARTERS! (The other quarter is hydro power).</p><p></p><p></p><p>So by "you people" I take it you value coal more than life and the environment? You didn't say "we".</p><p></p><p></p><p>We could! The French did it and that was with older technologies. We have much better reactors with passive safety systems today. The LFTR uses gravity! It requires power to keep the fuel up in the reactor. Without power holding it up, gravity takes over and it drains away. No power = no fuel in reactor, and the fuel has drained away into a thermally leaky tank: it radiates heat out passively, preventing any runaway overheating.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Hang on: you're the one claiming to use (a completely irrelevant) BBQ analogy to illustrate sociology (which was completely lost on me I'm afraid, still got no idea what point you were trying to make: this conversation is about where our POWER comes from!).</p><p></p><p>So let's try another home grown sociology test: one that's actually on the subject "WHERE OUR POWER COMES FROM!" Okay?</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Print this list out!</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">At your next party, ask all your family and friends the following questions.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Record the answers.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 18px">Report the results back to us:-</span></p><p></p><p>1. Has any nation left fossil fuel electricity in a hurry? Who? What power source did they turn to?</p><p>2. Would you be willing to see America convert all coal electricity into nuclear electricity? If not, why not?</p><p>3. Are you afraid of nuclear power? Why?</p><p>4. Do you know about passive safety reactors? How do they prevent melt-downs?</p><p>5. Do you know about liquid reactors? How do they prevent melt downs?</p><p>6. How much radiation would kill you? Are you afraid of radiation? Are you radioactive right now? Are banana's radioactive?</p><p>7. How many people does nuclear power kill each year? How many people does coal kill each year?</p><p>8. Do we HAVE to bury radioactive waste for 250,000 years? 100,000 years? Or can we burn it again and then only bury it for 300 years?</p><p></p><p>Ask a few of these questions at parties, and you will realise the average Australian and American citizen are TOTALLY CLUELESS! Not just a little uninformed, but absolutely ignorant, misinformed, and completely without any real knowledge of the nuclear industry at all. I was 6 years ago, and I know that most of my friends are!</p><p></p><p></p><p>Breeder reactors that eat nuclear waste are not new and have been around for quite a while, but hardly anyone knows or cares about that either.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The Koch brothers control Congress with millions of dollars a year in donations? Government should ram through a fast nuclear build out while educating the public and shutting up all those Koch brother lobbyists.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It <em><strong>was</strong> "a good thing"</em> as it gave us the industrial revolution, then it started to get bad, worse, and finally just downright terrible. If we burned it all the planet would shoot through 6 degrees of warming where natural emissions would eclipse humanities emissions, and nature herself would be in a upwards climate spiral that would hit 12 degrees and kill most of the human race. I take it you agree that would be bad?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Except that there is no good way to use it now, not for powering our world, not at all! We should BAN it wisely, not USE it suicidally.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="eclipsenow, post: 68518060, member: 274355"] I still fail to see any possible relevance to using coal as our main source of electricity. Agreed! Disagreed! France used to burn oil for electricity. Oil! Then the 1970's oil embargo shot the price up, and France realised energy was a national security matter. They deployed 75% of their grid as nuclear in under 20 years. THREE QUARTERS! (The other quarter is hydro power). So by "you people" I take it you value coal more than life and the environment? You didn't say "we". We could! The French did it and that was with older technologies. We have much better reactors with passive safety systems today. The LFTR uses gravity! It requires power to keep the fuel up in the reactor. Without power holding it up, gravity takes over and it drains away. No power = no fuel in reactor, and the fuel has drained away into a thermally leaky tank: it radiates heat out passively, preventing any runaway overheating. Hang on: you're the one claiming to use (a completely irrelevant) BBQ analogy to illustrate sociology (which was completely lost on me I'm afraid, still got no idea what point you were trying to make: this conversation is about where our POWER comes from!). So let's try another home grown sociology test: one that's actually on the subject "WHERE OUR POWER COMES FROM!" Okay? [SIZE=5]Print this list out! At your next party, ask all your family and friends the following questions. Record the answers. Report the results back to us:-[/SIZE] 1. Has any nation left fossil fuel electricity in a hurry? Who? What power source did they turn to? 2. Would you be willing to see America convert all coal electricity into nuclear electricity? If not, why not? 3. Are you afraid of nuclear power? Why? 4. Do you know about passive safety reactors? How do they prevent melt-downs? 5. Do you know about liquid reactors? How do they prevent melt downs? 6. How much radiation would kill you? Are you afraid of radiation? Are you radioactive right now? Are banana's radioactive? 7. How many people does nuclear power kill each year? How many people does coal kill each year? 8. Do we HAVE to bury radioactive waste for 250,000 years? 100,000 years? Or can we burn it again and then only bury it for 300 years? Ask a few of these questions at parties, and you will realise the average Australian and American citizen are TOTALLY CLUELESS! Not just a little uninformed, but absolutely ignorant, misinformed, and completely without any real knowledge of the nuclear industry at all. I was 6 years ago, and I know that most of my friends are! Breeder reactors that eat nuclear waste are not new and have been around for quite a while, but hardly anyone knows or cares about that either. The Koch brothers control Congress with millions of dollars a year in donations? Government should ram through a fast nuclear build out while educating the public and shutting up all those Koch brother lobbyists. It [I][B]was[/B] "a good thing"[/I] as it gave us the industrial revolution, then it started to get bad, worse, and finally just downright terrible. If we burned it all the planet would shoot through 6 degrees of warming where natural emissions would eclipse humanities emissions, and nature herself would be in a upwards climate spiral that would hit 12 degrees and kill most of the human race. I take it you agree that would be bad? Except that there is no good way to use it now, not for powering our world, not at all! We should BAN it wisely, not USE it suicidally. [/QUOTE]
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