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Biblical examples of God overriding Free-will
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<blockquote data-quote="aiki" data-source="post: 54536382" data-attributes="member: 178791"><p>Semantics, I think. Why must it be all or nothing in your view? Do we say that a convict who has done his time and is released from prison is still a prisoner? No. That he was at one time confined to a prison doesn't limit the nature of his freedom when he is finally released. He is not a partial prisoner when he exits the doors of the penitentiary but a "free man."</p><p></p><p>I was, as a child, forced to eat my peas. I had no choice about the matter. It was eat the peas or sit at the table until I did. Now, I have no such constraint upon me. I refuse to eat peas and I am perfectly free to make that choice. The fact that at one time I was forced to eat peas, however, doesn't mean that <em>now</em> my choice to eat or not eat them is somehow diminished, or limited, or partial. </p><p></p><p>It is also an inaccurate rendering, which is what I think you are guilty of in your characterization of God's conduct in the OT. </p><p></p><p>Of course, the destruction of men, women, and children is disturbing, but the demands of God's holiness, justice and Sovereignty required this destruction. Not once does God <em>arbitrarily</em> command the wholesale destruction of cities and peoples. Never does He destroy for the mere sake of destruction. His judgment of the wicked is terrible, but just and necessary. We aren't supposed to revel in God's awful judgment; we ought to be appalled at the horrible consequences of defying and sinning against the Creator. </p><p></p><p>God is also merciful and compassionate in the OT. Again and again He succours His wayward Chosen People; He protects and blesses the righteous; He patiently urges His people to turn from their wickedness and forewarns them of judgment if they do not. God isn't just traipsing around the Middle East murdering babies willy-nilly as you seem to suggest. </p><p></p><p>Peace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aiki, post: 54536382, member: 178791"] Semantics, I think. Why must it be all or nothing in your view? Do we say that a convict who has done his time and is released from prison is still a prisoner? No. That he was at one time confined to a prison doesn't limit the nature of his freedom when he is finally released. He is not a partial prisoner when he exits the doors of the penitentiary but a "free man." I was, as a child, forced to eat my peas. I had no choice about the matter. It was eat the peas or sit at the table until I did. Now, I have no such constraint upon me. I refuse to eat peas and I am perfectly free to make that choice. The fact that at one time I was forced to eat peas, however, doesn't mean that [I]now[/I] my choice to eat or not eat them is somehow diminished, or limited, or partial. It is also an inaccurate rendering, which is what I think you are guilty of in your characterization of God's conduct in the OT. Of course, the destruction of men, women, and children is disturbing, but the demands of God's holiness, justice and Sovereignty required this destruction. Not once does God [I]arbitrarily[/I] command the wholesale destruction of cities and peoples. Never does He destroy for the mere sake of destruction. His judgment of the wicked is terrible, but just and necessary. We aren't supposed to revel in God's awful judgment; we ought to be appalled at the horrible consequences of defying and sinning against the Creator. God is also merciful and compassionate in the OT. Again and again He succours His wayward Chosen People; He protects and blesses the righteous; He patiently urges His people to turn from their wickedness and forewarns them of judgment if they do not. God isn't just traipsing around the Middle East murdering babies willy-nilly as you seem to suggest. Peace. [/QUOTE]
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