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<blockquote data-quote="mark46" data-source="post: 77433245" data-attributes="member: 257078"><p>Folks have had this discussion for decades.</p><p></p><p>For example, some believed in 2016 that Trump should never be president and that he was very clearly a much worse choice than Clinton. Many, many of them sat home or voting third party. I can't blame THEM. People have every right to make irrational choices, even when the entire country ends up with the consequences.</p><p>==================================</p><p>I agree that I have no RIGHT to expect other people to make rational choices and to make voting decisions that result in the best outcomes, based on their views. That doesn't mean that I can't point out the absurdity of voting Green (or staying home) knowing that the vote will likely help the Republicans. I get it. Folks can stand on principle and say, I voted for the best candidate. My view is that elections have consequences.</p><p></p><p>In 2020, Sanders and other leaders were instrumental in leading the left, getting them to turn out to vote for someone his people didn't support. The leaders on the left did the same in 2022. SOME have learned their lesson, some haven't. SOME would rather have their vote for the 3% candidate, and not be concerned about the very point of the election, electing the best candidate that can be elected THAT DAY.</p><p>======================</p><p>We also make similar decisions in our party primaries. What happened in 2020 within the Democratic Party was truly spectacular given the bad feeling between the left and the centrists. Folks understood the task: DEFEAT TRUMP. So, they nominated Biden, worked hard to elect him, and worked hard to pass legislation that was definitely legislation that they opposed. They understood what was possible. Democratic centrists understand that we can only succeed one more time, presuming that Trump is the nominee. After that, the Republicans can win =, if they can ever shed their MAGA base.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mark46, post: 77433245, member: 257078"] Folks have had this discussion for decades. For example, some believed in 2016 that Trump should never be president and that he was very clearly a much worse choice than Clinton. Many, many of them sat home or voting third party. I can't blame THEM. People have every right to make irrational choices, even when the entire country ends up with the consequences. ================================== I agree that I have no RIGHT to expect other people to make rational choices and to make voting decisions that result in the best outcomes, based on their views. That doesn't mean that I can't point out the absurdity of voting Green (or staying home) knowing that the vote will likely help the Republicans. I get it. Folks can stand on principle and say, I voted for the best candidate. My view is that elections have consequences. In 2020, Sanders and other leaders were instrumental in leading the left, getting them to turn out to vote for someone his people didn't support. The leaders on the left did the same in 2022. SOME have learned their lesson, some haven't. SOME would rather have their vote for the 3% candidate, and not be concerned about the very point of the election, electing the best candidate that can be elected THAT DAY. ====================== We also make similar decisions in our party primaries. What happened in 2020 within the Democratic Party was truly spectacular given the bad feeling between the left and the centrists. Folks understood the task: DEFEAT TRUMP. So, they nominated Biden, worked hard to elect him, and worked hard to pass legislation that was definitely legislation that they opposed. They understood what was possible. Democratic centrists understand that we can only succeed one more time, presuming that Trump is the nominee. After that, the Republicans can win =, if they can ever shed their MAGA base. [/QUOTE]
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