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  1. Natman

    I Wonder...

    Amen to that sister. And we will be learning and growing right up to the mement Jesus returns.
  2. Natman

    I Wonder...

    I believe that, regardless of ones eschatological views, we can and should all be friendly and actually loving to each other. I also believe that no one, even the "best" theologeans have all the answers. However, the fact that any of us are on this forum should be an indcation that we are all...
  3. Natman

    Premil v. Partial Pret. Debate Hanegraaff v. Hitchcock

    Heymikey, I think we are generally on the same page. However, I also think we differ on this point. IMHO, the First Resurrection spoken of in Rev 20 is not about Jesus Christ. The First Resurrection is the spiritual resurrection that all new believers encounter as they go from being dead in...
  4. Natman

    Past.. Present.. Future.. ?

    Markea, Amillennialism does indeed ascert that we are already within the "millennium" as you prefer to call it. However, the events listed are set to occur at the END of that period, not throughout it. As such, those events listed tha GW listed, Final coming, final judgment, resurrection, New...
  5. Natman

    Past.. Present.. Future.. ?

    Those that John is referring to are not "physically" resurrected, as in the resurrection that will occur on the last day at the judgement. They were sitting in a position of judgement with Christ at the time of the revelation and are likely the souls of some of the patriarchs and the apostles...
  6. Natman

    Have you already inherited the Kingdom..?

    Are you speaking "anniallism"? As far as I understand, "everlasting torment" is "everlasting", not lasting only until the Earth is restored. Otherwise it would be referred to as "temporary, maybe long, but temporary torment". That would make God out to be a liar.
  7. Natman

    Past.. Present.. Future.. ?

    Rev 20:4-5I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their...
  8. Natman

    Past.. Present.. Future.. ?

    Markea, my brother, you are coming across as very arrogant. There have been several that have responded in support of amillennialism, including GW, Gwynedd1, jeffweeder, Jipsah and MrSnow. Of course, you can now add myself. I had remained quite because I felt GW did an excellent job of...
  9. Natman

    Have you already inherited the Kingdom..?

    I see this as a matter of symantics. The OP was "Have you already inherited the Kingdom..? ". The correct answer according to all of the verses above is that we (Christians) have "inherited" the Kingdom, at the moment of our salvation. However, we have not "recieved" our inheritance. It...
  10. Natman

    Hermeneutics vs. belief

    Gwynedd1, I do not think that it precludes a millennial kingdom on Earth. I think we are IN the "millennial" kingdom, ruled by Christ in Heaven, and that it will conclude with the restoration of all things, culminating in the "eternal" kingdom in the NEW Earth ruled from the New Jerusalem...
  11. Natman

    Can someone please give me a good reason for believing......

    I know that. That is why we have this forum and that is one of the reasons why there is so much separation within the church. It is a matter of using proper hermeneutics to read the Bible for all it's worth.
  12. Natman

    Can someone please give me a good reason for believing......

    Paul, the greatest speaker in terms of the resurrection, does not even mention a "millennium". He speaks exclusively of our resurrection at the end of time. He also says "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" 2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to...
  13. Natman

    Have you already inherited the Kingdom..?

    The moment we accepted Jesus as our Savior, we became joint heirs to the Kingdom of God. Romans 8:16-17 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. 17Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ Also, we are no longer the...
  14. Natman

    Conflicting ideas on eschatology

    Markea, You are beginning to sound like a broken record or a one-trick-pony. Every thread that your are involved has you arguing about the fact that there have been many "day of the Lord" references throughout scripture, all of which refer to times when God has poured out His wrath on a...
  15. Natman

    Can someone please give me a good reason for believing......

    This is a lamentation of Jeremiah about what the Lord would do if Israel does not repent of it's evil practices. This has nothing to do with the millenium, or whether there would be people in Heaven or on Earth during that time. Read the entire book of Jeremiah in context, not just a verse...
  16. Natman

    Can someone please give me a good reason for believing......

    The "thousand" years is a metaphore for a long period of time. It is the span of time from Jesus' first advent until His final return in judgement. Therefore, it does not relate to time spent in Heaven OR on Earth.
  17. Natman

    It's POLL Time.. Matthew 25:31.. you make the call...

    I selected "future" because the context of the verse points to a future event, the "final judgement". However, the elements of the verse taken by itself are past. Jesus already ascended to His Heavenly Throne and is already surrounded by the angels. Mark 16:19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken...
  18. Natman

    The Last Week of Daniel’s 70 weeks --- from 66 to 73 All Fulfilled Prophecy Part - 1

    Maranatha27, The covenant that God made with Abraham WILL last forever. However, it was not a covenant to the entire natural seed (nation) of Israel, but to the "Seed" of Abraham, Christ Jesus, God's promised Messiah, and also to those that are found in Christ, the "children of the promise"...
  19. Natman

    What week?

    [/FONT][/B] YeshuamySalvation, You are the first person I have encountered in over 33 years to make such a proposition. Every scholar I have met has stated emphatically that this is in reference to "years", not "weeks". The Hebrew word used here is actually translated "sevens", not...
  20. Natman

    Conflicting ideas on eschatology

    The most recent book I have read on the subject is "The Apocalypse Code" by Hank Hanegraaff. It is more a book about hermeneutics, but it does get into most of the end-times rhetoric. Hank appears to be a amillennialist and a partial-preterist (although I think he refers to himself as a...