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DNAunion: Still, 2 strikes, as you admit. DNAunion: And I, and tens or hundreds of millions of other people, both in their personal and professional lives, get tons more done on Windows than on Macs. Guess your personal testimony kind of pales in comparison.

DNAunion: Seems that way only to a retard! :D Look again at the reference at the end of the quote. DNAunion: DUH!!! In addition, look at what I said immediately after that quote. DNAunion: Double DUH!!!!

DNAunion: Which "one"? You quoted multiple statements that make different points. Do you mean the statement, "the frequency of occurrence of advantageous mutations must be much lower than that of deleterious mutations"? Clarity please. DNAunion: And the rate of advantageous mutations...

DNAunion: Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. So Lucaspa, why don't you go ahead and FOR ONCE support your assertions. Show us the quote of me saying that along with the post #.

DNAunion: No I didn't. Tell you what - why don't you go ahead and give us the quote and the post #. DNAunion: Don't need them. I didn't say it had been observed - I said it occurs. And the quotes I provided from two mainstream sources and the logic I presented support that position...

DNAunion: Same genera? I think you mean same genus.

DNAunion: What? Then why hasn't Sidney Fox won that Nobel Prize yet for creating life from nonlife? Surely it's because of that conspiracy you keep talking about. LOL!!!

DNAunion: And yet the Carnot cycle is virtually irrelevant to the main discussion in this thread. The definition of entropy that is applicable doesn't deal with the quantity of heat entering or leaving a system in a reversible process, divided by the absolute temperature. The entropy being...

DNAunion: Both hands down by my sides.

DNAunion: Let's not forget that "veggies" are also alive. So animals eating them would still require death to occur.

DNAunion: Always willing to support my position (unlike some people we know who post here), here's another quote.

DNAunion: Ah, Frumious Bandersnatch is leavin. It's just as well, I don't even know where he and I saw things differently. For example: 1) We both stated that evolution does not defy the second law because organisms are open systems. 2) We both agree that the total entropy of a closed...

DNAunion: Thanks but no thanks. I already have college physics books that tell me all I need to know about it. You got any?

DNAunion: Hmm, isn't that what a heat engine undergoes, where it obtains energy from a heat reservoir, performs work, expels heat to a cold reservoir, and returns to its original starting position, ready for the next iteration, with the efficiency being determined by the difference in...

DNAunion: Uhm, the author of the physical science text I quoted from. Don't you pay attention? DNAunion: Who said you didn't know that statement was "wrong"? Nowhere did I say that you said, or thought, that "the total entropy of any closed system must either remain constant or...

DNAunion: But it's not restricted to biology. DNAunion: That isn't true if we use the definition of a closed system from the trichotomous classification scheme. And I can "prove" it. Take two identical plastic bottles and fill each of them partially with water, then place lids tightly...

DNAunion: And now, ladies and gentlemen, the quote you've all been waiting for....drumroll please....