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What does that have to do with asking for some clarification regarding a claim? You quoted me asking for clarification as to why my question is a false dichotomy. How is your suggestion of 'maybe apply some scepticism [sic] and logic to your own OP' applicable in this case?

Agreed. Nobody is saying that if you forgive unconditionally, somehow the wrong that was done to you will automatically be alleviated or paid pack to you in some other way. That's the point, one can forgive and deal with the damages and not expect those damages to be undone, that's the...

Yes, the extreme case, yes, we've discussed this throughout this thread. There are cases in which unconditional forgiveness would not make sense. But don't pretend that there isn't another side to this coin. If your son plays with your laptop and breaks the screen, you could forgive him...

With all due respect you seem to be somewhat confused. You CAN simply forgive the debt and not require them to pay you, as you CAN decide not to punch someone back in the face and just let it go after they have just punched you in your face. If someone is running and bumps into you stepping on...

It has been very difficult indeed. There is a lot of leisure activities that we as parents have renounced for many years now, but that's way far from being the challenging part. Your gesture appears to be sincere indeed, so, even as a non-believer, I will go ahead and say that I appreciate...

Thank you for your clarification, ViaCrucis. I see that the fact that there are so many christian denominations and so many positions regarding the degree of veracity of the bible or even how much that veracity matters or not, can complicate the discussion very much. I believe I posed my...

When scientific knowledge is in some way affected by human error, who do you think discover such errors? Other scientists. Who do you think finds either a solution to the error or better theoretical explanations to the scientific concept in question? Other scientists. See, this is what makes...

You did say "the bible is the only thing we can trust", which infers that science is not trust-able. To me science is the most reliable tool to bring us closer to truth, thank you very much.

Ok, I believe we have a case of misunderstanding here. I don't expect you to have read every single post of mine in this thread, but I did mention at least once and very clearly that I myself believe the bible contains quite a few truths and valuable ones. So, my contention is more geared...

No thanks... unless you could convincingly show me why should I only trust the bible, and not science, for example, without which we wouldn't be even having this discussion across the internet, using cool web browsers and fancy electronic devices. Do you believe these advances in technology and...

Depends on each case. See, here's the thing, when I initially posed the question "why can't god forgive human beings?", I posed it from the perspective of either a wrong doer that does it either by ignorance or by mistake (as one can exemplify with the father-son analogies that have been...

I completely agree, error prone humans can commit errors, perform malformed experiments, or come to incorrect conclusions, they do it all the time. Then later on, this same marvelous tool called science is the one that facilitates the clarification of these past errors. Science is a never ending...

I'm not sure the question implies they are at odds. For example, as a non-believer, it shouldn't be surprising that to me, science is the best tool to come about finding truth in our surroundings. To me science and truth are not at odds in the least. But if you were to demonstrate to me that...

Because that was pretty much my whole life before, and still surrounded by friends and family that are believers. Plus, unlike many believers, I actually care about honesty and facts, valid arguments and truth can come from anywhere... even from this christian forum. If theism or christianity...

Right, because that's what happens always with that kind of forgiveness, it never works. And forgiveness with rules gives you back a wonderful and faithful husband... how couldn't I see that before? ... pathetic.

Oh, believe me, I should know a thing or two of the things I speak about, I tried for close to 30 years as a believer to find this personal being, almighty god... so either does NOT exist or he exists and never cared about a single thing related to me ever, all of those years. If he doesn't...

I might've been in error as to what I thought forgiveness should be from the biblical perspective, but not as to what forgiveness is. I might've been in error thinking that there shouldn't be cheap derivatives of forgiveness with stipulations and conditions, I can grant you that, but I wasn't in...

That's the beauty of unconditional forgiveness, she doesn't have to forgive him. The husband wronged her and she would be in her full right not to want to forgive him... And sure, many wives come up with a number of rules in order to consider forgiving their husbands, but also many other wives...

Excellent, thanks for clarifying how christians understand forgiveness. Sincerely, this is really good, my original question is actually being answered. Thanks!

You wish I'd leave, exactly. That's always the last resource when arguments are scarce, eh? I'm staying, thank you very much. Cheers.