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without the sources of experts it's just opionn. even without commentaries, the vast amount of translations feel "but" is more responsible to the text, not commenting on this doesn't make this go away. the verse in question's own context fits this reading better. Your thoughts on James Dunn...

the sabbath is not abolished it is fulfilled. that's like comparing dropping out of school vs graduation. both may have the same product, that you're no longer in school, but they are valued very differently. the sabbath was never toss away like some trash and to even suggestion that any...

you're getting trapped in a word search vacuum. Since the words in question are auxiliary in nature how they are used in a different context doesn't really help us understand how they are used in this context. This still doesn't answer the question of why is "but" the favored translation and...

there are two questions needing attention here 1. What does the context support? 2. Why is "but" the preferred translation? as for #2 there is seems no resonable bias happening as it is so widespread it's the same preference from traditional to modern views. You could claim that there is a...

"but" is the favored interpretation and overwhelmingly so. languages are not mirrors and words can have several nuances that don't fit into a strict mechanical translation and even based on individual styles. I am hesitant to claim a bias or a misinterpretation because of the overwhelming...

as I've said, I'm not inciting debate. The OP is correct in his analysis of the words in question, indeed the words are "if not" or "unless" and I can only speculate as to why the majority of the translations prefer "but". However, to use this phrasing to form a doctrinal position would be...

As I said I don't disagree with your analysis of the words. We all know there is a measure of interpretation within translation as language can be very dynamic and there are nuanced ways to express the same idea. Translators need to balance what the text is trying to communicate to its...

Rom 3:28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. there is no fault in your analysis of the words, but in the end, the utility of the words used still should agree with the rest of the scripture and perhaps this is why other translations choose "but".

I may still choose which posts I'm interested in or not. I may still make a request to avoid debate even if debate still complies with form rules. The forum allows debate here but it certainly does not require it. I asking that we look at the latter over the former. In response you may honor...

you're mistaken as that post disregards my explicit request to not debate the issue

You are also arguing from silence as you've inserted between the lines what you want the text to say but the text does not say the Gentiles were keeping the sabbath, nor does the council in Acts 15 give instruction regarding sabbath keeping. the difference is I'm not arguing for or against, I'm...

The NT doesn't give us a clear model of how a Christian gathering should explicitly look like and this includes which day of the week it should be held on. This is the beauty of it of course so that it may freely be adopted in a wide away of cultural practices. There is evidence that shows...

Chapter 8 is now behind me. This Chapter is his most telling where the author reveals what he sees as actual Sabbath practice and to some it will be freeing to others I'm sure quite controversial. The author has finished defining the legalistic side so now he goes to a byproduct of legalistic...

The topic is regarding Sabbath and law, my request is to refrain from debate. Sure I can't stop you as per the forum's explictly stated allowed conduct (ie. I'm not reporting anyone) but I can still ask you to respect my wishes. I'm not sure why this needs to be challenged any further.

This is not a thread for debate. I am merely showing a parallel between characteristics of Sabbath and Christ without the conclusions. Those are also my added thoughts and not explicitly made by the book itself. Christ cannot be reduced to something created but certainly the rest of God also...

I'm losing momentum and slowing down but I'll get through it eventually. Chapter seven was about identifying Sabbath outside a legalistic mindset. a definition the author uses to define legalism is "Legalism is the reduction of life to mere technicalities. It substitutes code for conscience...

perhaps it's time we stop looking at the sabbath in a 10 commandments vacuum. The Sabbath is the rest of God, this is salvation through Christ and is consistent with every aspect of the Sabbath you can read about in the bible. So where you look at it and think it's not my problem, I see a...

we are called under the law of Christ, not under the law of Moses, but also not lawless. So indeed we are called to live as though we follow Christ in all our actions. The Sabbath according to the law tells us to keep the sabbath we need to ensure those under our care have Sabbath as well...

Paul encourages us to remain in the situation God has called us in. (1 Cor 7:17-20). He even addresses slaves in 21-24 again encouraging believers to remain in the situation where God has called them. Some have the option to not work on the Sabbath to many it's a luxury they can't afford. If...